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Old 01-09-2019, 03:42 PM  
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What should trump give to get his 5B for the wall?

Trump's approach here seems to be to whine and hope he gets his way. But if you want to make a deal, both sides need to be happy with it.

Trump is supposedly the master dealmaker, lol, clearly not.

What would you give the democrats in exchange for getting the wall?
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:33 PM   #61
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So waste $5.7b. Very conservative of you.
Oh now Dave....5 billion? In the grand scheme of things? If your side is pure on the subject of waste, play that card. You know your shit is weak on that trail so don't make yourself look foolish.

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Old 01-09-2019, 05:33 PM   #62
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:34 PM   #63
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It's not about the money really. But if it were, $5.7B won't come even remotely close to building a wall or even a fence that closes the entire southern border. Most estimates are in excess of $50B, and cost overruns on these sort of things are usually 100% so double that.

We are way passed any point where this made any sense. It is now simply that Trump painted himself into a corner where he has to get the wall to placate his base but he can't get the wall because he has no leverage.

In addition to the upfront cost there's the cost of maintaining it. You can't just build the wall and walk away, it would require vast money to keep it in good repair. The desert eats concrete and steel like it's nothing, and much of the wall would be located in the Rio Grande flood plain and would face routine flood damage. Plus, you know, there's the damage people will do to it as they go through it, or under it, or over it.
Yeah, other than the Presidency of course. Lol! Good stuff there Dave
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:35 PM   #64
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nb4 Some citation about immigrants contributing to GDP which naturally won't parse between the portions attributable to those here illegally and those who are not.
Well, they don't. They are a net loss.
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:38 PM   #65
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Well, they don't. They are a net loss.
What about legal immigrants? Are they a net loss too?
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Old 01-09-2019, 05:39 PM   #66
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What about legal immigrants? Are they a net loss too?
Not that I've ever seen. And I would be surprised if they were.

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Old 01-09-2019, 06:53 PM   #67
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Well, they don't. They are a net loss.
Where did you get your data supporting this?
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:08 PM   #68
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This thread is dumb. Trump has BEEN offering DACA.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:10 PM   #69
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It is now simply that Trump painted himself into a corner where he has to get the wall to placate his base but he can't get the wall because he has no leverage.
If that's true then why is the government shut down?
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What did Obama give to get $787 billion for his stimulus that didn't work?
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:24 PM   #71
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This is ****ing great!



It's no wonder Trump's the most popular Republican president in recent times.
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Old 01-09-2019, 08:27 PM   #72
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Sure. And not remotely disingenuous, right?
Didnt Trump pay like twice the value of The Plaza Hotel because he just had to have it. Who knows what you could get him to agree to if he thinks he wins.
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As a Dem, I would let tRump build his stupid wall (all $25-75B), but in exchange, I would want DACA, immigration reform, single payer healthcare, a real middle class tax cut, 73+% top marginal tax rate, a GreenNewDeal, free college, increased infrastructure spending.
The Green New Deal will never happen. That's a declaration of civil war on the American economy. It's dead in the water. Unless Trump pushes it. With someone who actually knows how to negotiate, it has a chance. I can't imagine who the Democrats have who could possibly make it happen.
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