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Old 01-09-2019, 03:42 PM  
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What should trump give to get his 5B for the wall?

Trump's approach here seems to be to whine and hope he gets his way. But if you want to make a deal, both sides need to be happy with it.

Trump is supposedly the master dealmaker, lol, clearly not.

What would you give the democrats in exchange for getting the wall?
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:15 AM   #91
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As for the OP, the wall needs to be funded first.
no problem, just give Mexico a call.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:25 AM   #92
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Bottom line is, Democrats have no desire to fix the border issue. Just like they have no desire to fix healthcare.
Of course they don't. And anyone claiming otherwise is lying.
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:48 AM   #93
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:49 AM   #94
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DACA and his tax returns, actually
Your focus on damaging Trump instead of doing right by the country is a turn off.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:12 AM   #95
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Looks like Bezos or his soon-to-be-ex could give a third or so of their net worth and get it done
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:17 AM   #96
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no problem, just give Mexico a call.
Mexico paid indirectly via new trade deal.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:22 AM   #97
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Mexico paid indirectly via new trade deal.
Then Trump shouldn’t need to ask for money from the taxpayers.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:28 AM   #98
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Then Trump shouldn’t need to ask for money from the taxpayers.
Why not?
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Then Trump shouldn’t need to ask for money from the taxpayers.
The "indirectly" means that the money is collected by the government on the enhanced trade afforded by the new trade agreement with Mexico. Once collected, it has to be spent and Congress has to authorize it.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:57 AM   #100
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As I've said before, if Trump wanted to step away from the wall knowing the dems will resist at all costs, he could negotiate an aggressive immigration deal.

Imagine if we instead used $5b on everify, state of the art tech for enforcement, more border patrol and ICE. Even better, imagine if the Republicans actually convinced the democrats to sign off on labor law that strictly enforces that employers hire only legal workers. And you don't have to give up huge bargaining chips on things like DACA.

The Republicans have so much leverage on this if the followers weren't so narrowminded on this shiny object of a wall. Not only does a wall accomplish way less, who knows what conservative projects Trump will need to hold hostage as bargaining chips to make a wall appear out of thin air. But that would involve doing the most effective thing, not just insisting on "winning."
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:00 AM   #101
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Not only does a wall accomplish way less
Why do people keep saying this when it is demonstrably untrue?
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:06 AM   #102
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As I've said before, if Trump wanted to step away from the wall knowing the dems will resist at all costs, he could negotiate an aggressive immigration deal.

Imagine if we instead used $5b on everify, state of the art tech for enforcement, more border patrol and ICE. Even better, imagine if the Republicans actually convinced the democrats to sign off on labor law that strictly enforces that employers hire only legal workers. And you don't have to give up huge bargaining chips on things like DACA.

The Republicans have so much leverage on this if the followers weren't so narrowminded on this shiny object of a wall. Not only does a wall accomplish way less, who knows what conservative projects Trump will need to hold hostage as bargaining chips to make a wall appear out of thin air. But that would involve doing the most effective thing, not just insisting on "winning."
E-verification isn’t going to stop drugs and human trafficking at the border.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:13 AM   #103
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Why do people keep saying this when it is demonstrably untrue?
Look no farther than the people that are saying it.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:27 AM   #104
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E-verification isn’t going to stop drugs and human trafficking at the border.
Is that the primary goal? Sounds like moving the uprights. The outcry is about immigration. If the populist want to fix the immigration problem this is a loaded shiny object.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:30 AM   #105
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Why do people keep saying this when it is demonstrably untrue?
Because a wall with no change to immigration enforcement is a complete joke. Worse, a wall destroys almost all leverage to negotiate that in. Strict enforcement with resources to do it and no wall is a hell of a lot better than a wall with no enforcement.
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