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Old 01-10-2019, 06:38 AM  
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:50 AM   #31
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^NPC parroting media talking points.
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It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-
10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year
after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall
including the following
:

 On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31
CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include
money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to
includewire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that
no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien
first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United
States.

 On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24
billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United
States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de
facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety
net provided by the state in Mexico.

 On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds
needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will
not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.

 Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that
Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands
of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs
on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income
gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from
any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than
the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By
definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are
selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from
enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S.
industries in the past).

 Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally
dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our
approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is
one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business
and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind,
the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other
country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment
for our own citizens and recent migrants.

 Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This
includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are
issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of
illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the
single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S.
citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs,
drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and
committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States
has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the
cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost.
We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it
in order to Make America Great Again
Incredible this plan never got off the ground. It reminds me of the meth-heads hair-brained plan to rob the hospital in Salton Sea.

Maybe if he was actually working on it the last 2 years instead of waiting for Ann Coulter to force him into action at the last minute, things would be going a little better for him.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:51 AM   #32
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wonder if Brad is responding to suzzer here?




Derp.
WAY TO GO, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER!!! YOU REALLY SHOWED THAT DUDE WITH THREE FOLLOWERS WHO'S BOSS!!!

This is somehow even more as stupid than "Republicans Hate Dancing!!!" because some schlub with a twitter account posted a video of Ocasio-Cortez in college.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:51 AM   #33
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wonder if Brad is responding to suzzer here?




Derp.
Which is definitely how you felt about stuff Obama wanted right? You certainly weren't cheering on Republican obstruction on that stuff. Right?
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:51 AM   #34
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By the time 2020 rolls around, whatever happens here to damage the Democrats will have been forgotten about. Meanwhile GOP turnout will be shit because the Republicans put in office can't point to any meaningful legislation passed on their watch so why bother turning up?
Cant argue this.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:54 AM   #35
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Here's some talking points for you:



Incredible this play didn't work. It reminds me of the meth-heads hair-brained plan to rob the hospital in Salton Sea.
^ this NPC proved my original point, just copying and pasting talking points. Hilarious.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:54 AM   #36
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Dems want a 3 trillion dollar budget, and are complaining about 5 billion?
Trump already agreed to and was ready to sign the spending bill, and is now holding a gun to the country's head because Ann Coulter called him out. The master deal-maker had 2 years to work his magic and didn't even try.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:55 AM   #37
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You sound more like me every day.
Except that I NEVER trusted Trump. I always called the guy a populist gasbag who didn't have the political savvy to get anything meaningful accomplished.

My hope was that at least having a guy with an R after his name in the White House, along with some solid Congressional returns, could spur the damn Congress into doing something and they'd drag Trump along for the ride.

Instead everyone just spent two years arguing with each other. The last 2 years absolutely could not have gone better for Democrats. It's just embarrassing as hell that this is the party that theoretically carries the 'conservative' banner. Just a bunch of feckless shitheads who couldn't give a rip less about the deficit or any meaningful reforms to immigration or infrastructure.

2017 and 2018 have been banner years for the Democrats while the Republicans have done an extraordinary job of demonstrating that their purported base simply has nobody actually representing them at this point.
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:55 AM   #38
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^ this NPC proved my original point, just copying and pasting talking points. Hilarious.
Yeah clearly I can't think for myself. That's definitely my MO on here - just parroting talking points. You nailed it.

Alt-righter deflecting with nonsensical bad faith trolling. SHOCKER
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:56 AM   #39
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Dems want a 3 trillion dollar budget, and are complaining about 5 billion?
4T actually
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Old 01-10-2019, 09:59 AM   #40
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Which is definitely how you felt about stuff Obama wanted right? You certainly weren't cheering on Republican obstruction on that stuff. Right?
Ultimately, It’s insignificant in a 2.5 plus trillion dollar budget. Republicans under Ryan was a disaster as far as budgets go.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:01 AM   #41
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Trump already agreed to and was ready to sign the spending bill, and is now holding a gun to the country's head because Ann Coulter called him out. The master deal-maker had 2 years to work his magic and didn't even try.
He was told by leadership in previous budget battles that they would give him funding for his wall. They never planned to and here we are.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:03 AM   #42
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4T actually
I stand corrected it’s 4.4 trillion.


But yeah, 5 billion for the wall is too expensive.
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Old 01-10-2019, 10:12 AM   #43
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WAY TO GO, TRUMP CAMPAIGN MANAGER!!! YOU REALLY SHOWED THAT DUDE WITH THREE FOLLOWERS WHO'S BOSS!!!

This is somehow even more as stupid than "Republicans Hate Dancing!!!" because some schlub with a twitter account posted a video of Ocasio-Cortez in college.
To be fair, it looks like he responded to this because it came directly to him [replying to @parscale]. I don't think he put a lot of time and effort into a campaign to track down some bad Dem math and make it a centerpiece issue.
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He's right that Trump had 2 years to get this done and sat ass the whole time. This has been a hallmark of the GOP controlled Congress - they only want to try to do something when it's clear that they won't be able to do it.

Republicans should be righteously pissed that it's come to this. Where the hell was this urgency a year ago? Why didn't we get ANYTHING done w/r/t immigration when we had both chambers and why do we suddenly think its going to happen when we don't?

The GOP showed no stomach for this fight when it was one they had a chance to actually win big on. Now that the best they can do is some kind of negotiated stalemate, we have people trying to dig in.
The fact the Rs had two years to put the jack boots on the throats of the Dems to undo the obama years and wasted it is a failure that will be seen for what it is more and more the farther removed we get from it.
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