If you saw The Last Jedi in the theater do you plan on seeing The Rise of Skywalker?

[BigRichard]

I am just kind of curious to see how many people that saw the Last Jedi in theaters are going to see the new movie in theaters as well. Lets see if I can figure out how to do a poll or if this will be a failure on my part.

[Just Passin' By]

As I said after 7, I'm done with Star Wars. I just wanted to post here in reaction to Dane's post, by dropping this off.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/...ret-skywalker/

I'm just passing it on, not verifying it.

[BigCatDaddy]

I am still amazed that 8 made it to theaters. There is just no way to fix the mess RJ created. He literally killed SWs.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

As I said after 7, I'm done with Star Wars. I just wanted to post here in reaction to Dane's post, by dropping this off.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/...ret-skywalker/

I'm just passing it on, not verifying it.

What do TV shows do when they are failing fast and panic?

Introduce a new character near the 12th hour.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I am still amazed that 8 made it to theaters. There is just no way to fix the mess RJ created. He literally killed SWs.

As said many times before Disney will have to have a clean reboot and start over to save face among the fans.

[Easy 6]

Was soooooo disappointed in the last one, this will likely be a rental

[Mennonite]

I don't even know who "R.J." is but I can't see how anybody but George Lucas could be blamed for killing Star Wars after Phantom Menace came out.

If you're cool with Ewoks, Jar Jar, rehashed plots, mediocre acting, and lame dialog for 30 years I don't know why anyone would start to complain now.

When Star Wars jumped the shark: Leia turning out to be Luke's sister. That and the goddamn Ewoks.

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

As said many times before Disney will have to have a clean reboot and start over to save face among the fans.

Oooh maybe they can reboot the series with another movie about the death star. It will make a billion dollars and in 30 years people can complain about how reboot #XLII isn't nearly as good as reboot #XII.


We need more movies like Bladerunner 2049. Adults paying to see rehashed Disney crap aren't helping matters.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by notorious

I tried to get my 11 and 7 year old into Star Wars.


They don’t give a shit. You couldn’t pull me away from watching ROTJ for the 189th time when I was a kid.

It doesn’t grab kids’ imaginations anymore. Sad.

To be fair to all involved there are infinitely more things to be entertained by than there was in your day.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

Oooh maybe they can reboot the series with another movie about the death star. It will make a billion dollars and in 30 years people can complain about how reboot #XLII isn't nearly as good as reboot #XII.


We need more movies like Bladerunner 2049. Adults paying to see rehashed Disney crap aren't helping matters.

Rehashing is how Disney made their money starting with Snow White

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

I don't even know who "R.J." is but I can't see how anybody but George Lucas could be blamed for killing Star Wars after Phantom Menace came out.

If you're cool with Ewoks, Jar Jar, rehashed plots, mediocre acting, and lame dialog for 30 years I don't know why anyone would start to complain now.

When Star Wars jumped the shark: Leia turning out to be Luke's sister. That and the goddamn Ewoks.

I didn't have a problem with the brother/sister thing. It was better than some Luke/Leia/Han love triangle. As for the ewoks, they were initially supposed to be wookies, which would have actually made sense. I could have bought into wookies killing stormtroopers. But not teddy bears.

I guess somebody decided they needed to save money on the fake fur budget. Or maybe midgets work for less than really tall people.

[Sorry]

im actually for a secret skywalker. I think what i loved about the OT was the rustic beat up way they presented the movie, the current movie is cool with the super clean quality but it needs some dirt thrown on it.

[Mennonite]

Originally Posted by Sorry

im actually for a secret skywalker. I think what i loved about the OT was the rustic beat up way they presented the movie, the current movie is cool with the super clean quality but it needs some dirt thrown on it.

They'll spend 30 million dollars CGI'ing some semi-realistic looking dirt in the next movie.

"Alien" was another movie that was better for having grimy looking future tech. Anybody remember the Sean Connery flick "Outland"? It had a similar look.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Glad to see you back to at least let us know Star Wars stuff in this thread.

I thought the 3rd act of Rogue One was the best act of the whole Star Wars universe. The Darth Vader scene wasn't originally even in there? I hope Gilroy gets his chance to take on a whole series or movie.

Thanks for the kind words. Tony Gilroy is signed on as screenwriter for the entire series along with directing several episodes. He's not the Showrunner but it's his vision driving the series.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Glad to hear D&D were fired. I heard that the cast and HBO were on board with doing an additional episode or two to flush out the last season story of GOT but D&D wanted to move on to Star Wars. Any truth to that rumor Dane?

From my understanding, there's no truth to that rumor. The final two seasons were shot simultaneously, while editing and music took more than a year after shooting. All of the actors, directors, et al had made further career plans and trying to do two more episodes well after shooting was over, sets broken down, etc. and so on, would have been ridiculously expensive. The new management at AT&T wouldn't have approved it, anyway. They're still figuring out their way, while Direct TV and HBO Max are already giving them fits.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Sounds like Lucas films has got fat and happy in its old age. New blood is needed.

It's really more of a "too many cooks in the kitchen" situation. KK and the "Story Group" have one vision. Dave Filoni, who's been spread thin while working on Seasons 1 & 2 of The Mandalorian and the second and final season of Star Wars Resistance, has another.

And Lawrence Kasdan (more on that in a bit).

Originally Posted by banecat

They thought that was what people wanted

Not "they", Lawrence Kasdan. Kasdan has had an enormous influence on Lucasfilm and the sequels. He finagled his way into co-writing The Force Awakens with Abram, wrote Solo, had input on TLJ and on Rise of Skywalker. He's seen as an arrogant ass and he's directly responsible for Lord & Miller's firings. I heard directly from people at Disney that he completely freaked out on set because Lord & Miller were straying from the script that he wrote and that led directly to their firing.

Kasdan believes that he, and only he, understands Han Solo, mostly because he wrote Empire and ROTJ. Without his son's influence on Solo, it would have been a completely different movie because Jon is ALL into Star Wars, the EU, the animated series, the games - all of it. It was his idea for Darth Maul, the Maw, the crime syndicate (which was suppose to be Black Sun but was changed to Crimson Dawn due to Maul) and so on. So basically anything "cool" is Jon and the rehashed parts are Kasdan, although George Lucas did have input on Solo, on set and off.

Originally Posted by Mennonite

I don't even know who "R.J." is but I can't see how anybody but George Lucas could be blamed for killing Star Wars after Phantom Menace came out.

RJ is Rian Johnson, writer and director of Episode VIII. And while you have a valid gripe and opinion of the prequels, it's certainly not shared by young people, whose introduction to Star Wars was Episodes I, II and III, not IV, V and VI.

For example, we have Disney annual passes so we're at Disneyland at least a few days each month. Late last month, we had family in town so we headed to Disney at 7am and while the kids were doing rides in California Adventure, I went directly to Star Wars Land and the Millennium Falcon ride. I went as a "Single Rider" and rode it four times in less than an hour (it was awesome, too!). While in line, I spoke to dozens of people, most of whom said flat out that they're into Star Wars because of I, II and III.

Also, the lines were 2 hours or more for the Falcon and even longer for the Cantina. Add to that, there were no Fast Passes available, so people waited. For hours. The Rise of the Resistance ride is opening in January and I probably won't wait in line until late February or March because it'll be insane for a while.

Different strokes and all.

Originally Posted by notorious

I tried to get my 11 and 7 year old into Star Wars.


They don’t give a shit. You couldn’t pull me away from watching ROTJ for the 189th time when I was a kid.

It doesn’t grab kids’ imaginations anymore. Sad.

My kids, who are the same age as yours, are fully into it, as are most of their friends (and some are WAY into it). Lightsabers, costumes, video games, board games - you name it. They even got me two Resistance Fighter X Wing helmets for my birthday and my youngest wants the $700 dollar lightsaber.

I may have mentioned this before but my kids didn't connect with the movies until after they'd watched The Clone Wars and the Star Wars Rebels animated series. At that point, they were official Star Wars fans. My oldest still sleeps with her BB-8 stuffy toy.

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Also, I think this might be out there already but Colin Trevorrow was fired from Episode IX not because of the weak box office of his last film, The Book of Henry, but because he wanted RJ to change two things about TLJ:

1. He wanted Luke to survive so that Luke & Leia could defeat the First Order together, as Jedi's.
2. He wanted Snoke alive.

He fought tooth and nail and lost the battle. He refused to rewrite his script and forced Lucasfilm to fire him. After asking another half a dozen directors to helm IX (remember that initially, RJ was going to write VIII AND IX), they all turned her down so she went back to Abrams.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Mennonite

Oooh maybe they can reboot the series with another movie about the death star. It will make a billion dollars and in 30 years people can complain about how reboot #XLII isn't nearly as good as reboot #XII.


We need more movies like Bladerunner 2049. Adults paying to see rehashed Disney crap aren't helping matters.

I thoroughly enjoyed BR 2049.

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The Force Awakens was bad. Phantom Menace bad

The Last Jedi was God awful. Leia flying through space was laughable.

I thoroughly enjoyed Rogue One and I thought Solo was ok - nothing special.


I just don't feel any connection to the main characters. I don't like the way they killed off Luke and Han. Their death had no real or noble purpose. Now they're going to kill of 3CPO. It's like they're trying to erase any remnant of George Lucas Star Wars.

I'm done with this franchise for now.