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Old 05-22-2020, 02:38 PM   #32806
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I understand where you are coming from but releasing infected people into a pit of ultra-high risk people seems to be rather self-defeating.
100% unjustifiable too
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I mean you simply cannot socially distance in nursing homes and assisted living establishments. I don't see how it is even possible? And many of the nursing homes I have been in the patients share a room that isn't that big so spreading it has got to be as easy as throwing gas on a flame in those places.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:40 PM   #32808
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https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-updates-covid-19-study-aims-vaccinate-10000/story?id=70824051&cid=social_twitter_abcnp

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Around 35% of people with COVID-19 believed to be asymptomatic

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention now estimate that about 35% of people with COVID-19 don't exhibit symptoms, a significant jump compared to what health officials initially thought.

The CDC also estimated that 40% of transmission is believed to occur before the onset of any symptoms.

The disclosure raises serious concerns about how states and local officials can prevent outbreaks if about a third of Americans infected by the virus don’t know it.

Dr. Deborah Birx, coordinator of the White House coronavirus task force, said scientists had initially worked under the impression that around 11% to 15% of cases were asymptomatic.

She said the knowledge about potential transmission was a good reason to impose widespread testing in some communities, like nursing homes and meatpacking plants, where social distancing is difficult.

“Now we know it’s at least 35 [percent]. It may be greater than that because it may be so age dependent – that there may be a lot of people under 30 that have the virus and are shedding the virus and aren’t aware that they have the virus,” she said.

The CDC said the estimate will likely change as the agency learns more about the virus.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:40 PM   #32809
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Okay. You don't release those patients to a nursing home. Where do you put them and what do you do with all of your new admits?

Moreover, don't we need to establish that this order actually lead to an increase in mortality compared to other options? If one state has a higher percentage of nursing home deaths while expressly forbidding COVID transfers, doesn't that suggest that the edict itself might not be sole cause of the mortality rates?
welp CONSIDERING emergency hospitals were setup and NEVER ****ING USED.........

I don't know where you get your information from. USS Comfort saw 179 people over 2 months. They converted a convention center that saw no one.


MAYBE, JUST MAYBE........... Use the capacity you clearly never came close to running out of. INSTEAD of sticking sick people back around the most vulnerable to the ****ing virus.
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100% unjustifiable too
"That was welcomed by one of the many hospital systems and nursing homes surveyed for AP’s count. Northwell Health said three of its medical centers were so overtaxed at one point they had to put some ICU patients in hallways. To relieve pressure, the company eventually sent more than 1,700 COVID-19 patients to nursing homes. "
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:41 PM   #32811
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100% unjustifiable too
I agree but like Hamas said you would run out of bed space. But we were supposed to be setting up all these tents and other places for beds and we were told they weren't needed.


To keep it simple as of 5/16/20 you had about 907k deaths. 686k or 75% of those were people over the age of 65. I wonder how many of those were in a nursing home or assisted living?
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:42 PM   #32812
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"That was welcomed by one of the many hospital systems and nursing homes surveyed for AP’s count. Northwell Health said three of its medical centers were so overtaxed at one point they had to put some ICU patients in hallways. To relieve pressure, the company eventually sent more than 1,700 COVID-19 patients to nursing homes. "
Cool I guess your going to ignore the emergency hospitals that were set up and the US Navy's Medical ship that didn't see shit.
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Old 05-22-2020, 02:46 PM   #32813
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welp CONSIDERING emergency hospitals were setup and NEVER ****ING USED.........

I don't know where you get your information from. USS Comfort saw 179 people over 2 months. They converted a convention center that saw no one.


MAYBE, JUST MAYBE........... Use the capacity you clearly never came close to running out of. INSTEAD of sticking sick people back around the most vulnerable to the ****ing virus.
Javitz had over 1,000 patients.
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Are we just assuming everyone sheds this virus at the same rate or whatever? Something just doesn't quite add up. I mean it's almost like and I know this is an exaggeration but it's almost like you're either positive with symptoms, asymptomatic or you are both but had a false negative.

Sorry man but this is the ****ing epitome of Schrodinger's Cat. IF you have no symptoms until you take Covid test and an antibody test you both have the virus and don't have the virus.
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Javitz had over 1,000 patients.
Believe the capacity at Javitz was 3,500 if I remember correctly.
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Cool I guess your going to ignore the emergency hospitals that were set up and the US Navy's Medical ship that didn't see shit.
I get that you want to hop on your high horse and feign outrage, but you might want to actually look at the information. Given that there wasn't a tremendous increase in nursing home mortality as a share of the overall mortality compared to places where such policies were forbidden, it's a stretch to claim that this policy led to some massive increase in death. I also don't know if the people they transferred would still be infectious. I'm sure some of them likely were and some of them weren't. We don't know the percentages at this point, though.

I don't think it was particularly wise, but again, the hospitals themselves were stressed with critical patients. As to why the Comfort wasn't used, I don't know. It was supposed to be for non-COVID patients, then positive patients were transferred on board. I'm not going to disagree that it was a mess.

Their ICUs were so overwhelmed that people that normally would get an isolation room were in hallways. Given that those are the people at the most acute risk in a triage situation, that's a pretty serious lack of resources.

Ideally, you would like for every patient to be hospitalized, isolated, and have one-on-one care, but that's not realistic.
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Javitz had over 1,000 patients.
Yes over its entire use before they shut it down for lack of need it saw a total of 1,000 people. Meanwhile it was setup to handle many thousands more. Correct donger.. Goood boy.

No explain why this emergency Hospital was shut down and a US NAVY SHIP which could hold another 1,000 were not used for some of the 4,300 ****ing CoronaVirus seniors that were sent back to there god damn nursing homes.
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I get that you want to hop on your high horse and feign outrage, but you might want to actually look at the information. Given that there wasn't a tremendous increase in nursing home mortality as a share of the overall mortality compared to places where such policies were forbidden, it's a stretch to claim that this policy led to some massive increase in death. I also don't know if the people they transferred would still be infectious. I'm sure some of them likely were and some of them weren't. We don't know the percentages at this point, though.

I don't think it was particularly wise, but again, the hospitals themselves were stressed with critical patients. As to why the Comfort wasn't used, I don't know. It was supposed to be for non-COVID patients, then positive patients were transferred on board. I'm not going to disagree that it was a mess.

Their ICUs were so overwhelmed that people that normally would get an isolation room were in hallways. Given that those are the people at the most acute risk in a triage situation, that's a pretty serious lack of resources.

Ideally, you would like for every patient to be hospitalized, isolated, and have one-on-one care, but that's not realistic.
This is a 1,000 percent wrong.
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This is a 1,000 percent wrong.
I guess asking people to read the article they post is just too goddamn much these days:

"Some states went in the opposite direction. Louisiana barred hospitals for 30 days from sending coronavirus patients to nursing homes with some exceptions. And while Louisiana reported about 1,000 coronavirus-related nursing home deaths, far fewer than New York, that was 40% of Louisiana’s statewide death toll, a higher proportion than in New York."

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