Chiefs Opposing defenses against the Chiefs - Page 4

O.city · 10-22-2020, 09:28 AM

So we see what other teams are doing against the Chiefs. Drop a bunch of guys, take away all the deep and intermediate throws and force them to run the ball.

It's really taken Tyreek out of the equation in terms of yards and targets, which sucks.

So, what can the Chiefs do to open things back up? Is it just "run the ball until they come out of it"? Because it seems unless they can put it in the endzone more doing it, it's playing into other teams hands?

htismaqe · 10-22-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Yeah, it's about the only way to keep it close. You aren't gonna win a shootout. You aren't gonna beat them trying to stop them.

You've gotta just take away the deep big shots and big plays, make them be methodical and hope they **** it up somehow.

The Chiefs keep ripping of 10 plus yard runs and such, it'll change.

That's the thing. The Bills stuck with their defensive gameplan pretty much the entire game. Most teams won't do that. If they give up 100 yards on the ground in the first half, they're going to adjust, which is going to open up the passing game again.

The Buffalo game was a unique case in that 1) I think McDermott wanted to see if the "blueprint" would actually work and 2) the weather was complete crap.

O.city · 10-22-2020, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's the thing. The Bills stuck with their defensive gameplan pretty much the entire game. Most teams won't do that. If they give up 100 yards on the ground in the first half, they're going to adjust, which is going to open up the passing game again.

The Buffalo game was a unique case in that 1) I think McDermott wanted to see if the "blueprint" would actually work and 2) the weather was complete crap.

Yeah, and it actually did work. Hopefully it was weather related, but it got them to the fourth quarter with a chance.

More than alot of teams can say.

htismaqe · 10-22-2020, 11:54 AM

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This.

Back in his heyday, people double AB in Pitt. Still forced him the ball.

Get it to Tyreek. I know we have other weapons, but Hill is so much better he's gotta get touches.

That's not going to happen. Andy's offense doesn't operate like that and neither does Mahomes. He's going to go for the open guy all day, every day.

htismaqe · 10-22-2020, 11:58 AM

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I was thinking that the other day. We run a lot of HB and TE screens but I don’t remember seeing a quick WR screen in quite some time. Might be worth it to give it a try to a guy like Hill or Hardman, especially if the defense is playing off coverage.

HB and TE screens are more about exploiting the middle and middle-edge of a defense that's spread out horizontally. Basically the opposite of edge WR and bubble screens.

duncan_idaho · 10-22-2020, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Teams that drop that spy kill the crossers though since he's in the lane, you have to make teams pay for doing the spy.

That's where the draws can really help, IMO. Especially if you're splitting Kelce in the slot like they did some against Buffalo. Backpedal, eyes on QB and crosser, all of a sudden it's a draw and that TE is on top of you blowing you out of the play.

htismaqe · 10-22-2020, 12:03 PM

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It seems like the RB draw would be really effective against teams dropping 8...

It was. They ran a bunch of delays and draws against Buffalo and they worked great.

dtrain · 10-22-2020, 12:05 PM

Take what the defense is giving up if and when they change we change that's why people hated LB coming to the Kingdom double threat.

Pants · 10-22-2020, 12:10 PM

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The #Chiefs unveiled a new play package vs. the Bills — and @ChiefinCarolina has the details: https://t.co/HxrtYc8ykH
— Arrowhead Pride (@ArrowheadPride) October 22, 2020

Mentioned a potential pre-21 Pony play package vs the Bills:

Kelce in the backfield darting straight through LoS forces the LB to retreat. Block is entirely in space which allows him to cut the LB.

An athlete sprinting straight through the LoS puts LB in conflict, creates space pic.twitter.com/ozocA3IGxR
— Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) October 21, 2020

Another rep, this time Kelce crossing formation to the flat.

Buffalo gets 3 players reacting to the motion with two taking Kelce entirely. Sets up a double team and a combo block to take on only three defenders.

Pushing the athlete to the flat demands EMOL and LB attention pic.twitter.com/rPxU1auyuC
— Matt Lane (@ChiefinCarolina) October 21, 2020

What an incredible read that was. Thanks, KChiefs1. As a veritable football dumbass, I eat that shit up. I do not see any of that when watching the game live.

I bet that Mahomes tweet about him loving football and how he couldn't wait to get out there again was after these were installed last week.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 10-22-2020, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Mahomes and the Chiefs passing game is so good though, I don't think teams will come out of it even if they're getting gashed.

You're gonna have to be able to throw it down the field on that somehow.

Easier said than done with cover 3 and 7-8 total dropping into coverage... Continue to kill them with a 1000 cuts if that is their death wish. Our mistake last week was kicking FG's. We need to finish those drives with TD's.

htismaqe · 10-22-2020, 12:15 PM

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Easier said than done with cover 3 and 7-8 total dropping into coverage... Continue to kill them with a 1000 cuts if that is their death wish. Our mistake last week was kicking FG's. We need to finish those drives with TD's.

Yep.

OKchiefs · 10-22-2020, 12:16 PM

If this is going to be the new norm then Mahomes is going to need to be sharp and accurate on the short to intermediate throws, play the Drew Brees/Michael Thomas game and kill them with slants and other quick routes.

Pants · 10-22-2020, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OKchiefs

If this is going to be the new norm then Mahomes is going to need to be sharp and accurate on the short to intermediate throws, play the Drew Brees/Michael Thomas game and kill them with slants and other quick routes.

Maybe something like this: 21-26, 225 YDS, 2 TD?

UChieffyBugger · 10-22-2020, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

I can't remember if it was during the game against the Bills or if it was Chris Simms or someone like him but they stated that the Chiefs don't have as good a winning percentage in shoot outs as we do in closer lower scoring games. Seemed odd to me.

Max Kellerman said it on espn first take. However he said we were 5 and 4 in games "considered" a shootout since Pat's first season which would include the the Rams game, both Pats gsmes in that season and the Titans regular season game last year. I don't think that stat means much tbh.

KChiefs1 · 10-22-2020, 01:01 PM

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I can't remember if it was during the game against the Bills or if it was Chris Simms or someone like him but they stated that the Chiefs don't have as good a winning percentage in shoot outs as we do in closer lower scoring games. Seemed odd to me.

I think it was Cowherd:

staylor26 · 10-22-2020, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

Max Kellerman said it on espn first take. However he said we were 5 and 4 in games "considered" a shootout since Pat's first season which would include the the Rams game, both Pats gsmes in that season and the Titans regular season game last year. I don't think that stat means much tbh.

I’m sure most of the shootout losses came with the 2018 defense...

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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2774064	Opposing defenses against the Chiefs So we see what other teams are doing against the Chiefs. Drop a bunch of guys, take away all the deep and intermediate throws and force them to run the ball. It's really taken Tyreek out of the equation in terms of yards and targets, which sucks. So, what can the Chiefs do to open things back up? Is it just "run the ball until they come out of it"? Because it seems unless they can put it in the endzone more doing it, it's playing into other teams hands?
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