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Opening day roster:

Catchers (2): Cam Gallagher, Martin Maldonado

Infielders (7): Hunter Dozier, Lucas Duda, Whit Merrifield, Adalberto Mondesi, Ryan O’Hearn, Chris Owings, Frank Schwindel

Outfielders (4): Alex Gordon, Terrance Gore, Billy Hamilton, Jorge Soler

Starting pitchers (3): Jakob Junis, Brad Keller, Jorge Lopez

Relief pitchers (9): Scott Barlow, Brad Boxberger, Jake Diekman, Chris Ellis, Tim Hill, Ian Kennedy, Kevin McCarthy, Wily Peralta, Kyle Zimmer

Injured list: Danny Duffy, Brian Flynn, Jesse Hahn, Salvador Perez

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Old 08-13-2019, 02:48 PM   #3196
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If itís true Glass refused to eat money on Kennedy at the deadline this year, then itís absolutely stupid and indefensibly. I donít care how big the ďeatĒ was. Even the whole 24 million still owed to Kennedy wasnít too much to land a fringe top 100 prospect like Joey Wentz.

Thereís no value in keeping Kennedy and losing 95 instead of 100 games in 2020.

Itís a misunderstanding of sunk cost so bad, it makes me wonder if Tommy Boy (Dan Glass) made that call without talking to his dad.
So let me get this straight...if you believe OKChiefs "source" and that we were offered Joey Wentz (which....good gawd...WHY?), then you surely believe far more credible sources than OKChiefs that said they were being asked to eat 20 million of Kennedy's salary. So you're telling me that you would pay 20 million outright to secure Wentz' rights / controllable years, were he available?
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:51 PM   #3197
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You're paying that money if you keep him anyway....what you're saying is that getting a borderline top 100 prospect for Ian Kennedy is worse than just keeping Kennedy.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:52 PM   #3198
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So let me get this straight...if you believe OKChiefs "source" and that we were offered Joey Wentz (which....good gawd...WHY?), then you surely believe far more credible sources than OKChiefs that said they were being asked to eat 20 million of Kennedy's salary. So you're telling me that you would pay 20 million outright to secure Wentz' rights / controllable years, were he available?
It ain't my source, just posting what I saw on Twitter. I sure as hell don't have any sources.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:53 PM   #3199
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So let me get this straight...if you believe OKChiefs "source" and that we were offered Joey Wentz (which....good gawd...WHY?), then you surely believe far more credible sources than OKChiefs that said they were being asked to eat 20 million of Kennedy's salary. So you're telling me that you would pay 20 million outright to secure Wentz' rights / controllable years, were he available?

Royals Farm Report is reputable. They have been around a while and do solid work. I trust that they were told this. Like I said, if true, thereís no excuse.

Yes, I would pay $20 million to secure the rights of a player who was a consensus top 100 player just 16 months ago, who fits in nicely with KCís group of young arms, who was a supplemental first round pick, who is from the KC area, and who hasnít even dented his 6.75 years of control yet.

The Braves turned around and shipped him out for Shane Greene (plus another prospect), so yeah, I think they would have sent him to KC 1x1 if KC was willing to eat the money.

KC wasnít, so Greene was a better option.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:53 PM   #3200
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You're paying that money if you keep him anyway....what you're saying is that getting a borderline top 100 prospect for Ian Kennedy is worse than just keeping Kennedy.
Some people probably just dont understand that in baseball, unlike football, the contracts are 100% guaranteed.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:54 PM   #3201
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We still have the ability to deal Ian. I'll give it a year and a half before feeling pissed or not. A lot of people were PISSED that Greinke rejected the Nats deal - but the Brewers deal ended up working out quite well for us all the same.
THIS. I'm flummoxed that SMART baseball guys on here don't see this.

Josh Vernier and Ron Hugely were talking about this planted rumor earlier...and predictably, Vernier was the voice of reason while Ron says get rid of Kennedy at any cost. Ron is carrying your water guys. RON HUGELY. Let that sink in.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:55 PM   #3202
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Royals Farm Report is reputable. They have been around a while and do solid work. I trust that they were told this. Like I said, if true, thereís no excuse.

Yes, I would pay $20 million to secure the rights of a player who was a consensus top 100 player just 16 months ago, who fits in nicely with KCís group of young arms, who was a supplemental first round pick, who is from the KC area, and who hasnít even dented his 6.75 years of control yet.

The Braves turned around and shipped him out for Shane Greene (plus another prospect), so yeah, I think they would have sent him to KC 1x1 if KC was willing to eat the money.

KC wasnít, so Greene was a better option.
The Royals do a lot of things that make me think this next rebuild is going to be a disaster and Dayton Moore is a lucky SOB who's luck wore off.
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Old 08-13-2019, 02:55 PM   #3203
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THIS. I'm flummoxed that SMART baseball guys on here don't see this.

Josh Vernier and Ron Hugely were talking about this planted rumor earlier...and predictably, Vernier was the voice of reason while Ron says get rid of Kennedy at any cost. Ron is carrying your water guys. RON HUGELY. Let that sink in.
It's because Wentz is a good prospect, a year later and the offer will likely be worse.
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Old 08-13-2019, 03:02 PM   #3204
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Royals Farm Report is reputable. They have been around a while and do solid work. I trust that they were told this. Like I said, if true, thereís no excuse.

Yes, I would pay $20 million to secure the rights of a player who was a consensus top 100 player just 16 months ago, who fits in nicely with KCís group of young arms, who was a supplemental first round pick, who is from the KC area, and who hasnít even dented his 6.75 years of control yet.

The Braves turned around and shipped him out for Shane Greene (plus another prospect), so yeah, I think they would have sent him to KC 1x1 if KC was willing to eat the money.

KC wasnít, so Greene was a better option.
Well...this is consistent, then. That's you're conviction, then cool. But don't act like 29 other executives and owners would do this deal and we happen to have the one tandem that won't. When it's your 20 million, you can make that decision. Ultimately....we can compare notes when Wentz is a world beater in 5 years for the Tigers or mediocre to washed-out of baseball. Pitching "prospects", after all...
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It's because Wentz is a good prospect, a year later and the offer will likely be worse.
Pure speculation. You literally have no way of predicting this...especially when you're talking pitching prospects.
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Well...this is consistent, then. That's you're conviction, then cool. But don't act like 29 other executives and owners would do this deal and we happen to have the one tandem that won't. When it's your 20 million, you can make that decision. Ultimately....we can compare notes when Wentz is a world beater in 5 years for the Tigers or mediocre to washed-out of baseball. Pitching "prospects", after all...
It doesn't even matter if he doesn't turn into a good MLB player. The bottom line is that there is a chance that he can and there's no chance that Ian Kennedy is going to mean a damn thing in the grand scheme of Royals baseball through 2020.

It's the same reason I ****ing hated the Cubs trading Jorge Soler for Wade Davis.
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Old 08-13-2019, 03:13 PM   #3207
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So let me get this straight...if you believe OKChiefs "source" and that we were offered Joey Wentz (which....good gawd...WHY?), then you surely believe far more credible sources than OKChiefs that said they were being asked to eat 20 million of Kennedy's salary. So you're telling me that you would pay 20 million outright to secure Wentz' rights / controllable years, were he available?
Uhh, that's not the right question. The Royals have a $20 million dollar liability. For that $20 million, the can keep Kennedy and hope to contend next year, they can trade him next year, or they could have flipped him for Wentz. Cutting Kennedy and saving $20 million is not an option so the premise of your question is flawed.
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It doesn't even matter if he doesn't turn into a good MLB player. The bottom line is that there is a chance that he can and there's no chance that Ian Kennedy is going to mean a damn thing in the grand scheme of Royals baseball through 2020.

It's the same reason I ****ing hated the Cubs trading Jorge Soler for Wade Davis.
In terms of making the playoffs? Of course not. I'm interested in the continued development of our starters and stabilizing of the bullpen beginning with 2020. If you don't believe Kennedy is a plus in that...or don't care about stabilizing the bullpen or just think we have an equal to better chance stabilizing for less money without Kennedy for at least half of a season...then OK.
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Well...this is consistent, then. That's you're conviction, then cool. But don't act like 29 other executives and owners would do this deal and we happen to have the one tandem that won't. When it's your 20 million, you can make that decision. Ultimately....we can compare notes when Wentz is a world beater in 5 years for the Tigers or mediocre to washed-out of baseball. Pitching "prospects", after all...

29 other? I donít know. But a lot of teams eat money to move players and improve their return. Itís a good way to acquire young talent, which is harder to do than ever due to the hard slots in the amateur draft and IFA.

Ron Hughley isnít carrying the water on this. Jeff Passan is. If amateurs were actually paid like what theyíre worth on their initial contracts, acquisition costs of amateur talent would be drastically higher. Passan stuck a $40 million estimate on Witt and Rutschman when asked, so $24 for a guy like Wentz is right in line with that (if it even was that much).

As far as return on that value, even if Wentz only ends up becoming a solid reliever for KC, all it needs to get out of him to break even on the cost here is 3-4 wins above replacement. 6.75 years of solid reliever easily tops that.

Wentz doesnít have to reach his upside (good No. 3 starter) to make that deal a sound financial decision, long-term.

Wentz would slot in around Kris Bubic in terms of prospect rankings, possibly higher. This is a legit guy and I canít see a team offering more without the pressure of playoff availability. Reliever prices are usually best at the trade deadline.
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In terms of making the playoffs? Of course not. I'm interested in the continued development of our starters and stabilizing of the bullpen beginning with 2020. If you don't believe Kennedy is a plus in that...or don't care about stabilizing the bullpen or just think we have an equal to better chance stabilizing for less money without Kennedy for at least half of a season...then OK.
Guess I just dont understand why you care about "stabilizing" a bullpen that ultimately doesn't matter today, tomorrow, or next year.
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