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Old 09-05-2019, 03:47 PM  
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I think I'm almost ready to join the Yang gang?

I was kind of waiting for this Democratic monstrosity field to winnow itself down a bit, but I heard this guy today on the On Point radio show (broadcast on NPR) and he is making tons more sense to me than anyone else up there.

this was the high point of the interview for me:

"It was Donald Trump's victory in 2016, where I'd spent the previous six years running a nonprofit, Venture for America, that I'd founded that helped create thousands of jobs in places like Detroit, St. Louis, Cleveland, Birmingham, New Orleans. And I was stunned by what I saw in the rest of the country where automation had decimated communities, had eliminated 4 million manufacturing jobs in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin. And then Donald Trump won in 2016, which to me was a giant red flag. It was a, 'Stop what you're doing. We just elected a narcissist, reality TV star as our president.' And tens of millions of Americans were desperate enough to think that that was the right move. And to me, it was clear that this is the manifestation of this economic transformation that we're in the midst of, that, for whatever reason, our politicians are not discussing — the elimination of these 4 million manufacturing jobs will now migrate to retail. And people who are listening to this are seeing Main Street stores close around them every single day. Call centers, fast food and then eventually hit truck driving, and being a trucker is the most common job in 29 states. There are 3 1/2 million truck drivers in the U.S.

"And so I had no intention of running for president at any point. My wife laughs about it because in some ways I make a lousy politician. But Trump wins. I say, 'OK, this is a straight automation story — that we're in the third inning of the fourth industrial revolution. No one's talking about it. We're scapegoating immigrants for problems that immigrants have next to nothing to do with.' When you're in that position, you say, 'Well, how can I, on wake up America to the fact that this is a huge transformation we're in the midst of?' Then we need to start addressing and start solving the problems in the right timeframe, given that we're five to 10 years away from robot trucks hitting the highways."



He is correct about this transformation and that no one else is talking about it because it's almost too big a subject for anyone to take on. But he's right this is happening to us nationwide and we aren't acknowledging the reality of it. Just letting Amazon and Google sort it out for the rest of us may not result in the Country we are hoping to see in 50 years.

I mean he's at 3%, so probably he's got no shot, but He has already lasted longer than some much bigger party names. What do you guys think?
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:52 PM   #2
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It's an ignorant and stupid proposal because he is ignorant of economics and markets and how they evolve into other jobs. He's advocating command and control type economics. He confuses "socialist policy" with state socialism, which is a type of pseudo-communism. It's never worked.

He's an End-of-the-World candidate.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:54 PM   #3
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It's an ignorant and stupid proposal because he is ignorant of economics and markets and how they evolve into other jobs. He confuses "socialist policy" with state socialism, which is a type of pseudo-communism. It's never worked.

He's an End-of-the-World candidate.
Yeah, I figured you wouldn't like him. You're more like let Google and Amazon decide our fates.

Answer me this though:

Is he wrong about automated trucking in 10 years? And whats happening to every industry?
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:56 PM   #4
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I don't dig gulag economics and you know that you and I never agree on this topic.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:56 PM   #5
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He is also the dumbass who wants to give everyone a $1,000 each month.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:57 PM   #6
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So Democratic candidate Andrew Yang has two key campaign positions:

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Parents should have complete and well informed choice on circumcision of their male children.

2) People who work and earn a decent living should be forced against their will to pay more tax so he can distribute $1000 a month to those who earn less or don’t work.

In other words, take all their money but leave their foreskin intact. Sounds like a catchy slogan for a campaign bumper sticker!

https://www.lewrockwell.com/politica...e/andrew-yang/



I support his foreskin position though!
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:58 PM   #7
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He is also the dumbass who wants to give everyone a $1,000 each month.
That's correct. But what's everyone else's answer to that?

If 95% of trucking jobs are eliminated, is it realistic to think that we are just going to retrain them to be computer coders?

If amazon continues to destroy retail, can every waitress and checkout teller become a software engineer?

If not, what happens? They are just to fend for themselves?
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:02 PM   #8
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That's correct. But what's everyone else's answer to that?

If 95% of trucking jobs are eliminated, is it realistic to think that we are just going to retrain them to be computer coders?

If amazon continues to destroy retail, can every waitress and checkout teller become a software engineer?

If not, what happens? They are just to fend for themselves?
There are other jobs out there instead of living off the government tit.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:03 PM   #9
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There are other jobs out there instead of living off the government tit.
Are there enough that can't be automated?

Even law and medicine are losing jobs to this phenomenon. The only jobs that aren't software related that are growing is geriatric care for all of the old people coming.

This is a real thing.
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I'm not sure how I feel about his "Freedom Dividend".

However, he does seem to be the most intelligent candidate currently out there, which has to count for something.
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Back in the winter Yang was picking up traction from disaffected alt-rights.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/bb/showthread.php?t=321835



But this summer, he morphed into just another white-hating POS minority. Nobody wants to hear from human garbage like that. Talking shit about “white supremacists”, gun control, on and on.



(He also used his little precious time at the debate to rant about “CollusionDelusion!”. Which didn’t differentiate himself and which is based on a hoax anyway)
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:18 PM   #12
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Do it, secure the bag! Seriously Yang is the smartest guy in the room every single time. The AI revolution will result in massive job losses and universal basic income will be a necessity to allocate the massive wealth transfer. This projection is mainstream in the economics community. It's not about capitalism vs socialism. It's about an extreme diminution in the need for human capital. The good news is standards of living will rise due to the productivity gains, as long as the wealth is shared via UBI.

Yang is so far ahead of the curve on these issues. It's already happening in manufacturing, which is now only 12 percent of the US economy. This displacement has been much more about machines than globalization. #yanggang
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Do it, secure the bag! Seriously Yang is the smartest guy in the room every single time. The AI revolution will result in massive job losses and universal basic income will be a necessity to allocate the massive wealth transfer. This projection is mainstream in the economics community. It's not about capitalism vs socialism. It's about an extreme diminution in the need for human capital. The good news is standards of living will rise due to the productivity gains, as long as the wealth is shared via UBI.

Yang is so far ahead of the curve on these issues. It's already happening in manufacturing, which is now only 12 percent of the US economy. This displacement has been much more about machines than globalization. #yanggang

Bullshit^. If he really cares about AI causing job losses he’d demand an end to immigration since those workers won’t be needed. But he won’t, because he’s just another Libshit.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:21 PM   #14
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Back in the winter Yang was picking up traction from disaffected alt-rights.
https://www.chiefsplanet.com/bb/showthread.php?t=321835



But this summer, he morphed into just another white-hating POS minority. Nobody wants to hear from human garbage like that. Talking shit about “white supremacists”, gun control, on and on.



(He also used his little precious time at the debate to rant about “CollusionDelusion!”. Which didn’t differentiate himself and which is based on a hoax anyway)
Well I’m still on the fence so what was the white supremacy comment?
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:27 PM   #15
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“Yang He also says he would establish a central site to aggregate statistics on white nationalism, boost the budget for fighting domestic terrorism to match non-military spending on combating foreign terrorism and invest in nonprofits to help people disengage from white nationalist groups.“


He really needs to jump off a cliff.
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