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Old 04-13-2018, 08:21 PM  
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Official 2017-2018 NBA Playoffs thread!

We'll see if the Warriors recover from the end of the season stretch of stinkers.
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:18 PM   #811
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They are interesting statistics...

I would argue Lebron's number is at least slightly deflated due to most of the best FAs during his run of finals either went to the Western conference or stayed in the West to avoid him.
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:18 PM   #812
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Lebron never had anybody like Pippin from 2003-2010

Lebron teamed up with two all stars, not three

Miami wasn't a contender in 2010. Bosh, Wade, and Lebron made them one. But they never even make the Finals without Lebron
Pippen didn’t join Jordan till Jordan’s 4th season and didn’t become an All Star till his 6th season, so don’t really see how your first point is relevant.

Yes, Lebron teamed up with two other previous established All Stars. Jordan helped create one.

To your third point, of course they wouldn’t. I mean, it’s not like Wade had ever made an NBA Finals prior to Lebron arriving . . . . .
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Winning is the only stat that matters?

Okay. So why isn't Bill Russell the GOAT, then?
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:42 PM   #814
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Since we're talking about the teams lebron/Jordan played against. Clearly one played and beat superior competition while the other coasted past weak competition on the way to getting beat in the finals...


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Wow.... what a huge discrepancy.
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Old 05-06-2018, 03:46 PM   #815
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Pippen didn’t join Jordan till Jordan’s 4th season and didn’t become an All Star till his 6th season, so don’t really see how your first point is relevant.

Yes, Lebron teamed up with two other previous established All Stars. Jordan helped create one.

To your third point, of course they wouldn’t. I mean, it’s not like Wade had ever made an NBA Finals prior to Lebron arriving . . . . .
Wade won his Finals before the Celtics Big 3 formed. No way he gets past those guys without Lebron

And Jordan didn't win squat without Pippen
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Wow.... what a huge discrepancy.
He's the only player to beat a 70 win team in the playoffs

We'll be able to add another "50 win team" to his resume after he gets done toasting Toronto
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Wow.... what a huge discrepancy.
Kobe backer purposely grabbed an image from three years ago that also ignores the 3 50 win quality teams the Heat beat in 2011-2012 lockout season (Pacers, Celtics, Thunder). He’d be at 13 (and 14 on Monday after the Raptors go down). Not that anybody was disputing the strength of the East relative to the West over much of the past decade plus anyway.
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Old 05-06-2018, 04:29 PM   #819
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Kobe backer purposely grabbed an image from three years ago that also ignores the 3 50 win quality teams the Heat beat in 2011-2012 lockout season (Pacers, Celtics, Thunder). He’d be at 13 (and 14 on Monday after the Raptors go down). Not that anybody was disputing the strength of the East relative to the West over much of the past decade plus anyway.
You've mentioned Kobe way more than I have. In fact I literally haven't mentioned him this whole thread. Why are you infatuated with him? And LeBron having 12 or 13 is still pretty far from 20 like Jordan had. Unless you think he'll beat 7 more 50 win teams in his career.
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Old 05-06-2018, 05:27 PM   #821
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Yes Jordan lost several first round playoff series (3 to be exact which were the first 3 of his career) but he also never missed the playoffs until he went to the Wizards at the very end of his career. Lebron missed the playoffs the first couple of years of his career.

As far as this idea that Jordan had a super team. Well sure but it was all drafted and not built through FA and players colluding with one another. Also just to remind people Rodman was traded to the Bulls from the Spurs for Will Perdue.

This chart says it all.

Percentage of positive team VORP contributed from players acquired by the draft for each NBA champion, 1980-2016.

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Winning is the only stat that matters?

Okay. So why isn't Bill Russell the GOAT, then?
Probably because of his era (8-15 teams in the league) and lack of offensive production.
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Best player in the NBA finals last year also. A PTPer as Dickie V would say.

Still just as big of a pussy as LBJ though.
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