Miss Universe Canada used to be a "MISTER"-disqualified

[scho63]

When I first saw the pictures of her/him I didn't realize it used to be a dude. How freaky!

YIKES!!!


Miss Universe Canada Disqualifies Transsexual Contestant: She was Born a Boy

http://shine.yahoo.com/beauty/miss-u...192000420.html

Miss Universe Canada officials have banned 23-year-old transsexual Jenna Talackova from participating in the pageant finals to be held in Toronto in May, 2012. The Vancouver contestant was one of sixty-five women chosen to compete in the national contest (which is owned by Donald Trump). The Daily Mail Reports that Denis Davila, national director of Miss Universe Canada, asserts that every contestant must be a "naturally born female." Critics of the decision claim that the rules do not specifically address sex change or plastic surgery.

The statuesque blonde Talackova is calling it a human rights issue. She says that she knew she was a girl by age four, started hormone therapy at fourteen, and had sex reassignment surgery at nineteen. She's previously competed in both transsexual and women's beauty pageants. "All I can say is that they disqualified me because I'm not 'natural born,' she told the National Post. "[That] doesn't make sense because since I was conscious, I always felt this way."

After being kicked out of the pageant, Talackova, whose twitter account has since been locked, tweeted, "I'm disqualified, however I'm not giving up. I'm not going to just let them disqualify me over discrimination." Online support for the beauty queen is growing. So far, over twenty-one thousand people have signed a petition demanding she be allowed to compete. It reads, "She is a woman and deserves to be treated as any other woman would be."
Talackova, who says she is not doing interviews until she consults a lawyer, describes herself as, "a woman with a past."

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by The Poz

Tough call. She does look good.

Damn. In that picture she looks like a super hot version of a girl in my office.

Now I'm wondering about the girl in my office.....

[gblowfish]

Originally Posted by frazod

Damn. In that picture she looks like a super hot version of a girl in my office.

Now I'm wondering about the girl in my office.....

Does she take a leak standing up?

[sedated]

she looks good to me

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Awkward boner.....

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by gblowfish

Does she take a leak standing up?

Not that I've seen.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by Groves

Men have a general ability to lose weight much more easily than most women.

This alone would probably be considered a "competitive advantage" by the female contestants.

wow ... that's a stretch, anyone can lose weight if they REALLY don't eat and then exercise.


on the other hand, a male has almost no ability to grow 'curves'

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

What I'm saying is, trans people LOVE being dehumanized and mocked and threatened with greatly increased odds of being assaulted or murdered just for existing. It's basically why we transition in the first place.

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.

Try being what you actually are, and come to terms with that. You don't even need to chop off your dick. Drag queens own the fact that they're dudes in costume. They aren't ashamed of what they are, physically or mentally, and I find that FAR healthier.


The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in our selves.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.

Try being what you actually are, and come to terms with that. You don't even need to chop off your dick. Drag queens own the fact that they're dudes in costume. They aren't ashamed of what they are, physically or mentally, and I find that FAR healthier.


The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in our selves.

Who are you to say what should bring others happiness or peace? She could be far happier living her life as the person she is now compared to trying to live her life according to what you feel should make her happy.

[Imon Yourside]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Who are you to say what should bring others happiness or peace? She could be far happier living her life as the person she is now compared to trying to live her life according to what you feel should make her happy.

Happiness is NOT having an extension but rather a foreign object inserted where said extension used to be. Was she on Springer in the 90's?

[loochy]

Guys, I should have been born a black man. I am going to get a negropasty.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.

Try being what you actually are, and come to terms with that. You don't even need to chop off your dick. Drag queens own the fact that they're dudes in costume. They aren't ashamed of what they are, physically or mentally, and I find that FAR healthier.


The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in our selves.

so, how are things down at westboro baptist church?

[loochy]

Originally Posted by sedated

so, how are things down at westboro baptist church?

He's a baptist because he thinks that chopping one's self up is crazy?

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by loochy

Well, it IS wacky. Dude chopped off his penis and made a fake vagina. Do you really expect something that is that far from the norm to be widely accepted?

It's so wacky that I dropped out of school when I was 11 because I was harassed every single day for being too feminine. It's so wacky that I spent the decade between that time and when I finally got desperate enough to transition (without any medical or social support system whatsoever, given that I was stuck in the rural south at the time) in a fog of near-daily suicidal ideation and hopelessness about my chances of ever having people know my real self.

It was a laugh-a-minute existence, definitely. I certainly didn't lose a huge chunk of my formative years hiding from the world because I saw how ****ing stupid people became every time something relating to trans people came up. I was scared of anyone finding out because I thought the shame and alienation would genuinely be worse than death.

I got lucky with both the physical side of transition and my family's response to it, and being trans isn't really the constant painful focus of every single waking moment anymore. It's really nice interacting with people in a way that doesn't feel bizarre or dishonest (which is how it felt every single time I interacted with people while pretending to be some aloof guy).

But despite that, I still have to worry about people finding out and ruining my social life or worse. What if that 6'4" 300 pound dude who always hits on me found out? Would he fly into a rage to defend his masculinity after finding out he'd expressed interest in a "dude"?

Do you understand how goddamned painful it is watching uninformed people with zero lived experience with trans issues spouting decades-old tropes every single time a trans person either comes out or gets outed? Do you know what it's like knowing that the absolute worst part of your life will affect every single interaction with most people the moment they learn about it?

I'm not a freak, I'm not a joke, I'm not trying to fool people. I'm trying to get through my life with a face I actually recognize as myself, a body that doesn't make me want to die every waking moment of every single day, and relationships with other people that don't feel hollow and fake. Being trans and accomplishing those things, which most people take for granted, is an incredibly long, difficult, and painful experience. You lose family, friends (my best friend at the time when I came out stopped talking to me), career opportunities, and even years after the fact, if people find out there's a pretty good chance you lose every right they ever thought you had to dignity or basic human decency. All of that suffering and struggling for something better becomes fodder for tired-ass punchlines we've all heard hundreds of times before.

But hey, what are insanely high rates of dying via suicide/murder and years upon years of pain (and hopefully a little bit of triumph) if not a perfect backdrop the same decades-old remarks people make every single time they're reminded of the existence of trans people? Set sail for wackiness!

Originally Posted by Groves

Men have a general ability to lose weight much more easily than most women.

This alone would probably be considered a "competitive advantage" by the female contestants.

a) Cool thing she's not and never was a "man." Especially since she transitioned at 14 (and was presumably on testosterone blockers well before that, given how together her shit must have been to transition at 14; or maybe she self-medded out of desperation, who knows; worked for me).
b) After a couple of years of hormone replacement therapy your ability to build muscle/lose weight falls well within normal ranges of your target gender (so trans dudes grow facial hair* and get MAD HORNY and gain the capacity to get ripped and whatnot, while trans women lose a significant amount of physical strength -- I was puny before, but now? hahaha oh god it's pathetic -- and experience the joys of female body fat distribution and increased difficulty losing weight). Hormones are pretty ****in' powerful.
c) Those boobs you guys are ogling (don't worry, I won't tell anyone) have a pretty strong chance of being naturally grown, especially since she started at 14. Though given that she's competing in a beauty pageant, who knows; point is that she almost certainly didn't need surgery; bodies just do that shit when given the right mix of hormones. Bodies are mega adaptable.

*No, seriously. Every single one of them.

[Ultra Peanut]

tl;dr: Maybe try to have a tiny bit of empathy and realize this is a real thing that affects real people who never, ever would have chosen it for themselves? And that the particular brand of humor on display in this thread not only hurts emotionally but further poisons the social landscape and makes it harder for trans people to just live their lives like anyone else? Please?

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

No one is dehumanizing anybody. We are talking openly about a human who did a stupid human thing and is saying stupid human ideas. Humans do stupid things. Like chop off their penis, because they wanted to be born a girl. There is no such thing as "I was SUPPOSED to be born a woman!"

No.

There is what the world is. Nothing more. Nothing less. He might have PREFERRED to have been born the opposite gender, but he wasn't SUPPOSED to be anything than what he is. (Most likely he would have had the exact same feelings in reverse.)

This isn't Downs Syndrome, or FAS, where there is a foreign influence that changes an otherwise normal birth. You were born a dude. Figure it out. You think that dude is HAPPY now that he appears to be female? You think he feels at peace? Or is his life still a constant struggle, because he has to defend to himself and others that he is what he says he is.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.full

"hurdurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, there are absolutely zero potential biological factors contributing to transsexuality. I know this because I have extensive experience in the medical and psychiatric fields. ALSO I EAT POOP." - saphojunkie