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Old 11-10-2019, 01:41 PM  
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Nimrata's New Book Reports How Kelly and Tillerson Undermined Trump

I am truly surprised, but I guess no one is all bad.
“Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country,” the former South Carolina governor wrote, noting also that Kelly and Tillerson often couched their resistance in patriotic terms.

“It was their decisions, not the president’s, that were in the best interests of America, they said. The president didn’t know what he was doing,” Haley wrote in the book, referring to how Trump’s former top officials saw their responsibilities inside the White House.

Haley made similar remarks in an interview with WaPo.

“I was so shocked I didn’t say anything going home because I just couldn’t get my arms around the fact that here you have two key people in an administration undermining the president,” Haley told WaPo...

Haley made waves earlier this weekend when she criticized efforts to oust the president for asking Ukraine’s president to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden’s son.

You’re going to impeach a president for asking for a favor that didn’t happen, and giving money, and it wasn’t withheld?” Haley asked rhetorically in the CBS interview, which aired Sunday. “I don’t know what you would impeach him on.”

She added: “When you look at the transcript, there’s nothing in that transcript that warrants the death penalty for the president.”

http://dailycallernewsfoundation.org...ermined-trump/
Now Kelly is on the board of a defense contractor making millions. Mattis too. Enuff said. They are MIC plants.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:05 AM   #31
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What a moron you are. This has been corroborated by others connected to Trump administration. Nimrata was part of that team. I've been saying it from reading my news sources for the past three years just from reading the backgrounds of his cabinet and even Javanka. In fact, once Trump was elected I said the GOPe would do everything to co-opt him and they have.

Even Gary North got it right on Nov 12, 2016:
We are about to see the capture of Donald Trump. It has already begun.

The mainstream media are beginning to see this. By January 20, it should be clear to anybody who wants to look at his nominees for the top cabinet positions. CNN's headline has it right: Team Trump is already filled with Washington insiders.


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Pretty much what I've been saying.
It's still just people making claims. Is there any proof? In what specific instances did they "undermine" Trump?

If a Democrat claimed the statements in the book were false, you wouldn't believe it for a second. You believe what you want to believe, regardless of evidence.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:10 AM   #32
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It's still just people making claims. Is there any proof? In what specific instances did they "undermine" Trump?
Guess you should read her book to find all that out.

Proof? I said I've read corroboration. However, I don't have to have it to observe who Trump gets his advice from; then see Trump walk things back. The only saving grace is that he has had to engage in one man diplomacy from time to time to by-pass them, after which certain players throw a fit and the news reacts. It's been discussed here at length for 3 years if'n you noticed as a mult.

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If a Democrat claimed the statements in the book were false, you wouldn't believe it for a second. You believe what you want to believe, regardless of evidence.
Nope. Not necessarily. It just depends. However, in the age of Trump, yes since the Democrats are unhinged from all reality and mainly are conniving how to take the man down.
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Old 11-11-2019, 09:19 AM   #33
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I wonder what exactly they resisted.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:50 AM   #34
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But DEEP STATE!!!!

Turns out Deep State is Trump's personally-chosen cabinet members.
That's the thing that's both hilarious and disturbing.

Trump likes to dismiss his critics as Never Trumpers and just plain scumbags. But that's a hard argument for him to make about the guys he appointed to be his Secretary of State and Chief of Staff.

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In her forthcoming book about her time in the Trump White House, former US ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley claims that she was recruited by White House chief of staff John Kelly and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to subvert the wishes of President Donald Trump.

"Kelly and Tillerson confided in me that when they resisted the President, they weren't being insubordinate, they were trying to save the country," writes Haley in "With All Due Respect," which is out on Tuesday. (The Washington Post obtained an early copy.)

In the wake of that revelation, much has been made -- by Haley -- of the fact that she resisted those entreaties. "It should have been, go tell the President what your differences are and quit if you don't like what he's doing," Haley told CBS over the weekend. "To undermine a President is really a very dangerous thing. And it goes against the Constitution and it goes against what the American people want. It was offensive."

But the focus on Haley -- and what she did or didn't do -- misses the point, which is this: Two of the top Cabinet officials within the Trump administration were concerned enough about the behavior of the President of the United States that they were actively reaching out to other influential members of the Cabinet to actively work around him.

That is a VERY big deal. Especially when you consider how Tillerson and Kelly came into their jobs.

The former was the head of Exxon, a massive, multinational company. Trump touted Tillerson as the crown jewel of his Cabinet -- a hugely successful and accomplished businessman that only this President could recruit to work for the government.

The latter was a hugely accomplished general who led Southern Command among other gigs in a lifetime spent in the military.


It was these resumes that drew Trump to them. Of all his Cabinet officials, he bragged on these two the most in the early days of his White House. Of Tillerson, Trump said: "He's a world-class player. He's in charge of an oil company that's pretty much double the size of its next nearest competitor." He so valued Kelly that he when the chief of staff job opened, Trump moved the general from his post as head of the Department of Homeland Security to the vacant job.

Neither of these men were "never Trumpers." Both were Trump's top picks for hugely important jobs -- perhaps the two most powerful Cabinet gigs -- and, at least in the early days of Trump's presidency, were considered primetime players. These were the people who, along with Trump, were going to shape the future of the country and the world.
Neither Tillerson nor Kelly can be accurately described as so-called "deep state" actors either. Both men were new to this level of government. They were the farthest thing from embedded within the vast government bureaucracy. And not to sound like a broken record, but Trump appointed both of them!

So consider what it means that within a relatively short period of time, not only had both men identified major concerns with the President, but were so concerned that they were reaching out to others within the administration to try recruit them to a protect-the-country-at-all-costs mission.

You can absolutely question -- as Haley has done -- why Tillerson and Kelly didn't just resign rather than trying to run a persuasion campaign within the White House to sideline the President. (My guess would be that they would say they were worried what might happen if they left.)

But what, to me, is the most important part of the story is that both of these hugely accomplished Cabinet officials, who were hand-picked for their roles by the President and who, presumably, came into the administration favorably inclined to him, so quickly and clearly assessed that the man they were working for was an active danger to the country.

And such a danger that they were in the process of actively recruiting people within the administration to help them keep the President from doing anything that would endanger the country.

Think about that. It's terrifying.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/11/polit...ump/index.html

The money quote from Rex Tillerson, the guy who Trump lavished praise on after recruiting him to be Secretary of State:

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Old 11-11-2019, 11:53 AM   #35
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Haley is in a position to ascend to the Presidency. She has all the skills and this new tidbit shows she can be trusted to lead. Will it happen? 2024 will let us see.
Nikki Haley isn't going for the 2024 election. She's going for the 2020 election. This revelation does two things for her: It weakens Trump, and it makes Trump's base love her for defending him.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:57 AM   #36
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That's the thing that's both hilarious and disturbing.

Trump likes to dismiss his critics as Never Trumpers and just plain scumbags. But that's a hard argument for him to make about the guys he appointed to be his Secretary of State and Chief of Staff.
Not really. He didn’t know either of those guys. As an outsider, he had to rely on the suggestions of others to fill many of those positions.
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and it makes Trump's base love her .

JFC, are you clueless.
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Nikki Haley isn't going for the 2024 election. She's going for the 2020 election. This revelation does two things for her: It weakens Trump, and it makes Trump's base love her for defending him.
Have you been right about anything since Trump’s election broke you, Lex.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:59 AM   #39
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Have you been right about anything since Trump’s election broke you, Lex.
I predicted a long time ago that Trump will be impeached by the House but not convicted by the Senate. I'd say that prediction is looking pretty good right now.
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I predicted a long time ago that Trump will be impeached by the House but not convicted by the Senate. I'd say that prediction is looking pretty good right now.
I’ll count it, but it doesn’t really make you Nostradamus. That’s one that seemed almost certain, although after the Mueller investigation exoneration, the likelihood waned a bit.
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I predicted a long time ago that Trump will be impeached by the House but not convicted by the Senate. I'd say that prediction is looking pretty good right now.
And wrong on just about everything else.
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I’ll count it, but it doesn’t really make you Nostradamus. That’s one that seemed almost certain, although after the Mueller investigation exoneration, the likelihood waned a bit.
The Mueller Report didn’t exonerate Trump. I know you know this, and I understand why you continue to make this false claim.

It’s standard operating procedure for Trump and his cult members.
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And wrong on just about everything else.
It’s laughable Trumps core (at least his original core) would ever embrace that crazy NeoCon woman.


But think about this: WHY didn’t she tell Trump there was a plot? Why hide it? Why would any Trump supporter be glad she kept that from him???
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