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Old 06-22-2022, 09:57 AM  
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Washington Commanders congressional hearing

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Edited blanket statement: everybody is aware this is a waste of time and taxpayer money and all politicians suck eggs. It doesn't mean we can't enjoy the schadenfreude of watching the NFL and Snyder in particular get dragged over the proverbial coals.

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Old 06-23-2022, 09:43 AM   #46
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This is a political thread that should be in the shitty dc subforum.
Meh, it's an NFL team and commish being grilled by Congress. Maybe a little partisan since it seems like Republicans want to make a mockery of even having the hearings. But mostly it's about the Washington Commanders being publicly flogged. Seems like more of an NFL story than a political one.
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Old 06-23-2022, 09:49 AM   #47
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Old 06-23-2022, 10:29 AM   #48
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Meh, if he broke the law indict him. If the women have a claim sue him. If the other owners have a problem then they have ability to remove him.

Not seeing how the government should to decide who is good enough or morally qualified to own a company nor be told how to run said company as long as following the law.
But it’s not a regular company. If it were he would’ve been ousted decades ago. He is protected by congressional antitrust rules. It’s absurd that the only way to get rid of an owner is a 2/3 vote of owners. The commissioner of the league said he can’t do anything about it.

And how are you supposed to indict him when he’s abusing power to compromise the investigation? The nfl is complicit in a top secret investigation where they’re not only hiding info, they’re using that privileged info to blackmail and threaten witnesses.

My main interest in this is I think it’s absurd that taxpayers who pump millions into a team and have an obvious entertainment interest in a city having a good team have zero stake in deciding who owns the team that represents them. It shouldn’t be this hard to get rid of an owner and snyder is making a mockery of it by showing at an extreme level how much he can get away with. I think bad owners should be WAY easier to get rid of. Look at how bad it has to get and he STILL might get away with it.

It’s not like we’re talking about a bad actor. We’re talking about one of the worst actors imaginable who has abused his power while capitalizing off of billions in public money. If not for this, then who holds him accountable? To date, the answer is nobody.
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Old 06-23-2022, 10:38 AM   #49
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This is a political thread that should be in the shitty dc subforum.
It doesn't have to be political, but I'm sure the knuckle dragging troglodytes that just can't help themselves will eventually get it moved anyway.
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:09 AM   #50
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I think the big non political question to ask is how do you get rid of really bad owners? And it’s especially important because unlike a product you shouldn’t have to force fans to root for a different team. Snyder is proving that nothing an owner does, short of murdering someone on national tv, will hold an owner accountable.
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:25 AM   #51
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Asked for an example of conduct that was “unprofessional, unfitting for an owner of a team” from Snyder while traveling, Pauken said that he was recruited to join a “day trip” to Minneapolis for the basketball games on a Saturday, that he later found out “we’re going to be gone for a couple of days,” that Snyder didn’t care about “irrelevant details” such as Pauken’s family obligations or the fact that he brought no other clothes.

Then came a fairly relevant detail, as it relates to the Mad Men culture that prevailed within the organization.

“He said, we’ve got girls lined up, and there’s one for you,” Pauken testified. “And to be honest, I wasn’t sure what to do with that, other than to know I was in trouble here and needed to figure a way out. And we got to Minneapolis, we get over to the hotel that we’re staying in. And there are a number of beautiful women in this hotel suite who are physically very affectionate and they — nobody said they were prostitutes. I assumed they were prostitutes. They had flown in from Dallas.”

Pauken also testified that Snyder, miffed at a deal he had done with Washington Nationals owner Mark Lerner, instructed Pauken to pour milk on the carpet under the seats in Lerner’s suite at FedEx Field, so that it would smell of sour milk when Lerner and his family attended a game.

Likewise, Pauken testified that Snyder openly questioned Pauken’s sexual orientation because Pauken resisted efforts to sexualize the team’s cheerleading crew. Pauken testified that Snyder would say of Pauken, “Yeah, he has to be gay. As ugly as these cheerleaders are. Pauken, are you gay? You must be gay. How could you have a cheerleading squad that looks like this?”
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Old 06-23-2022, 11:29 AM   #52
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But itís not a regular company. If it were he wouldíve been ousted decades ago. He is protected by congressional antitrust rules. Itís absurd that the only way to get rid of an owner is a 2/3 vote of owners. The commissioner of the league said he canít do anything about it..
Antitrust rules do not protect anything he has done. If you want to get rid of those rules you would be ending sports as we know it.

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And how are you supposed to indict him when heís abusing power to compromise the investigation? The nfl is complicit in a top secret investigation where theyíre not only hiding info, theyíre using that privileged info to blackmail and threaten witnesses. .
There are also crimes for destroying evidence, blackmailing threatening witnesses etc. Seems like the government can not prove a crime and wants to by pass that little technicality and jump right to sentencing phase.

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My main interest in this is I think itís absurd that taxpayers who pump millions into a team and have an obvious entertainment interest in a city having a good team have zero stake in deciding who owns the team that represents them. It shouldnít be this hard to get rid of an owner and snyder is making a mockery of it by showing at an extreme level how much he can get away with. I think bad owners should be WAY easier to get rid of. Look at how bad it has to get and he STILL might get away with it.

Itís not like weíre talking about a bad actor. Weíre talking about one of the worst actors imaginable who has abused his power while capitalizing off of billions in public money. If not for this, then who holds him accountable? To date, the answer is nobody.
Not disagreeing on not pumping public funds into his team or NFL. My disagreement is the ability to step in and interfere with how the NFL runs their business. IF they have no problem with Snyder as an owner the fans have the option of not being entertained by his team.
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I never paid that much attention to this whole scandal or whatever it's called, but these stories are pretty amazing.
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Old 06-23-2022, 12:27 PM   #54
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Antitrust rules do not protect anything he has done. If you want to get rid of those rules you would be ending sports as we know it.



There are also crimes for destroying evidence, blackmailing threatening witnesses etc. Seems like the government can not prove a crime and wants to by pass that little technicality and jump right to sentencing phase.



Not disagreeing on not pumping public funds into his team or NFL. My disagreement is the ability to step in and interfere with how the NFL runs their business. IF they have no problem with Snyder as an owner the fans have the option of not being entertained by his team.
It absolutely protects what he has done. Because of revenue sharing snyder gets to be a shitty shitty owner and pay zero consequence because other owners pick up his tab. If it’s true that he was fraudulently withholding revenue sharing with owners then he also violating that which makes this an ftc violation. The nfl also abuses this power to get away with shit nobody else can. Can you imagine if any other company refused to show their books the way sports owners do? Not even just publicly, they are allowed to hide their books in collective bargaining. That’s absurd. Owners can get away with anything because they feel zero impact when they do shitty things.

And it means they can hold cities hostage by threatening to leave or they can steal from the public by demanding public funds while making no effort to provide a quality product. That’s a horrible experience if the suggestion is a lifelong Washington fan simply find another team instead of the simpler solution which is to get rid of the owner that’s failing them. Bad owners who alienate fans should lose money. When they suffer from gross misconduct they should feel the hurt, not just a throwaway $10m fine. And the cities that “employ” him should have the leverage to do something about bad ownership. It should not be in the hands of other owners who don’t care if Washington is shit.

And that’s not even getting into the legality of all this. If the nfl is complicit in helping Washington break laws then an outside party should absolutely step in. The same way they did and should have for steroid use. Who would’ve stopped the blatant doping if not for congressional investigation? They are investigating enormous misconduct of a multibillion dollar business. Maybe Congress can be focused on something else but it’s not like they’re overreacting.
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Old 06-23-2022, 01:01 PM   #55
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Unsurprisingly chiefzilla completely skims over the part where congress has a slush fund to handle sexual harassment cases and doesn't see the hypocrisy of this.
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Old 06-23-2022, 01:05 PM   #56
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It absolutely protects what he has done. Because of revenue sharing snyder gets to be a shitty shitty owner and pay zero consequence because other owners pick up his tab. If itís true that he was fraudulently withholding revenue sharing with owners then he also violating that which makes this an ftc violation. The nfl also abuses this power to get away with shit nobody else can. Can you imagine if any other company refused to show their books the way sports owners do? Not even just publicly, they are allowed to hide their books in collective bargaining. Thatís absurd. Owners can get away with anything because they feel zero impact when they do shitty things.

And it means they can hold cities hostage by threatening to leave or they can steal from the public by demanding public funds while making no effort to provide a quality product. Thatís a horrible experience if the suggestion is a lifelong Washington fan simply find another team instead of the simpler solution which is to get rid of the owner thatís failing them. Bad owners who alienate fans should lose money. When they suffer from gross misconduct they should feel the hurt, not just a throwaway $10m fine. And the cities that ďemployĒ him should have the leverage to do something about bad ownership. It should not be in the hands of other owners who donít care if Washington is shit.

And thatís not even getting into the legality of all this. If the nfl is complicit in helping Washington break laws then an outside party should absolutely step in. The same way they did and should have for steroid use. Who wouldíve stopped the blatant doping if not for congressional investigation? They are investigating enormous misconduct of a multibillion dollar business. Maybe Congress can be focused on something else but itís not like theyíre overreacting.
Seems like your in favor of the public taking private property anytime they do not like how the property is being used.
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Unsurprisingly chiefzilla completely skims over the part where congress has a slush fund to handle sexual harassment cases and doesn't see the hypocrisy of this.
I have zero faith in Congress to do things the right way. Iím just saying this is a case that deserves to be scrutinized.
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Seems like your in favor of the public taking private property anytime they do not like how the property is being used.
This isn’t private property. Owners may own the team but they report to the nfl. The stadiums they play in are subsidized through massive amounts of public money. No, I don’t believe owners should abuse this power to hold publicly funded assets hostage for personal gain. Owners should have financial accountability for their ownership. If Congress is going to allow revenue sharing as a special arrangement, which basically shields owners from accountability, there has to be ways to hold owners accountable for bad management. In an ideal world if an owner can’t fill seats he should lose money. Like I said, I don’t have an issue with the Dallas mavericks or I’m sure the many teams in pro sports that have their own share of sexual harassment issues. Here we are talking about grosser than gross misconduct.
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This isn’t private property. Owners may own the team but they report to the nfl. The stadiums they play in are subsidized through massive amounts of public money. No, I don’t believe owners should abuse this power to hold publicly funded assets hostage for personal gain. Owners should have financial accountability for their ownership. If Congress is going to allow revenue sharing as a special arrangement, which basically shields owners from accountability, there has to be ways to hold owners accountable for bad management. In an ideal world if an owner can’t fill seats he should lose money. Like I said, I don’t have an issue with the Dallas mavericks or I’m sure the many teams in pro sports that have their own share of sexual harassment issues. Here we are talking about grosser than gross misconduct.
Sure it is private property. All governed by contracts. The cities contracted to pay x amount if the team moved there and built a stadium and played in it for y years. In this case I think the city covered 70 million of the 250 million to build Fed Ex. But it does not change the fact Snyder now owns the property which includes the stadium, team, equipment etc. The city received the increased tax revenue from the games, concerts and other sporting events for the last 25 years. Which probably total well in excess of the 70 million.

All the assets are privately owned. it seems like gee we do not like that guy so let's take his team is a bad precedent to start.
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Up until I saw this thread, I didn’t realize that the Redskins had changed their name again. I actually thought this was about a USFL team.
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