Football Browns sign Kareem Hunt - Page 21

**wazu** · 02-11-2019, 12:59 PM

Statement from GM John Dorsey: pic.twitter.com/TUgoBalvkg
— Cleveland Browns (@Browns) February 11, 2019

IowaHawkeyeChief · 02-11-2019, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

What, precisely, was his lie? What exactly did he say (so that we can determine magnitude)?

Are you serious? I'm guessing he said he didn't assault the women, that she was banging on the door after they kicked her out because she was underage... I don't think he told them that they kicked her out because she wouldn't **** his friend, then kept her phone in the room, wouldn't open the door to give it back to her. Got sick of her banging on the door, went out in the hallway and pushed a bunch of people, knocked her down and then kicked her when she appeared dazed. That most likely was the lie...

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-11-2019, 05:36 PM

Dorsey would sign Ayman al-Zawahiri if he thought it would win his team one more game over the course of a decade.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 02-11-2019, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by farmerchief

Chiefs should never have simply just dropped him! They should have suspended him indefinitely, and waited to see how things played out. They could have at least received a draft pick for him, if he was given the ok to resume his career by the league, IF they thought a PR nightmare was more than they wanted to indure. Now, they simply got "0" in return. What a waste.

In a perfect world that would have been great... However, as many have said on here, keep him on your team, even suspended, and it would have been a circus and brought up all the Tyreek Hill shit again. The Chiefs also new we would probably get 85% of his production with the other backs.

TwistedChief · 02-11-2019, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dorsey would sign Ayman al-Zawahiri if he thought it would win his team one more game over the course of a decade.

Your name is 'Hamas' Jenkins so I figure you're the authority on this type of thing. Do you think Dorsey started ISIS in playing the long game to take down Mahomes?

staylor26 · 02-11-2019, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Jesus, all of this is simply playing out in your head.

Get a ****ing clue dude.

Do you honestly think we would’ve been fine if we kept Hunt and the media started bringing Hill into it? Do you pay attention to what happens when you get labeled in today’s society? You really think the Chiefs could’ve just moved on from this with Hunt and Hill on the roster without constant backlash?

Kiimo · 02-11-2019, 05:40 PM

Does anybody here who watched that video think that the "slightly kicked" situation would have escalated a LOT more if his friend wasn't holding him back? Because that's part of it. He was out of control.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-11-2019, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief

Your name is 'Hamas' Jenkins so I figure you're the authority on this type of thing. Do you think Dorsey started ISIS in playing the long game to take down Mahomes?

Dorsey studied the writings of Sayyid Qutb and is now planning to institute Sharia law across the Ohio Valley.

It's up to Mahomes to destroy his caliphate.

philfree · 02-11-2019, 05:42 PM

Cleveland was the scene of the crime so I don't know if this is good for him or not. Home town and all I could see another incident happening.

**Rausch** · 02-11-2019, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by philfree

Cleveland was the scene of the crime so I don't know if this is good for him or not. Home town and all I could see another incident happening.

It's inevitable.

And as far as punishment goes: he now plays for Cleveland...

staylor26 · 02-11-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

Does anybody here who watched that video think that the "slightly kicked" situation would have escalated a LOT more if his friend wasn't holding him back? Because that's part of it. He was out of control.

No. He had a golden opportunity to hurt her and he didn’t.

TwistedChief · 02-11-2019, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

It's up to Mahomes to destroy his caliphate.

Clay... ready the Red Tribe Cinema. I'm thinking something on the order of Rambo 3.

excessive · 02-11-2019, 05:48 PM

https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...226109265.html

Kareem Hunt signs with the Browns, the worst place he could go. Save us the posturing.

BY SAM MELLINGER

FEBRUARY 11, 2019 03:22 PM

Please come with me as we skip over the fake moralizing and manufactured outrage and see that Kareem Hunt was always going to play football again.

Might be sooner than expected, and going back to Cleveland is setting him up to fail — more on this in a minute — but he was always going to have another job in the NFL.

The Chiefs released the star running back last fall almost immediately after security video surfaced that showed him kicking a woman in a Cleveland hotel. That was the surprise. NFL teams don’t typically act so swiftly, and so decisively, particularly when it comes to removing a key part of a team that was shaping up to be a Super Bowl contender.

Does that sound cold? Good.

The NFL is cold. Many other businesses are, too. Sales, finance ... heck — journalism. We are all lines on a spreadsheet somewhere, and if our value exceeds cost, then we’re in luck.

Hunt’s financial cost is the NFL’s version of peanuts, and he is still just 23 and the was league’s leading rusher in his only full season as a pro. So he’s in luck. The Browns announced they had signed Hunt on Monday. They did so predictably, with a statement from general manager John Dorsey that referenced his personal history with Hunt — Dorsey oversaw the Chiefs front office that selected him in the NFL Draft.

Dorsey hit all the expected notes: said Hunt took responsibility for “his egregious actions” that the Browns “do not condone.” Hunt is undergoing treatment and subject to an NFL suspension, and Dorsey’s statement made clear that another incident “will not be tolerated.”

Hunt released a statement, too. Again, it hit most of the expected notes. He apologized both for the violence and for lying about it later. He thanked the Browns for the opportunity and expressed a commitment to be “a better and healthier person.”

Notably, neither man’s statement mentioned the victim, or even the existence of a victim, and both focused solely on the incident caught on video, ignoring a larger and troubling pattern that developed around Hunt.

Sadly, that meat-headed, narcissistic, optics-first-and-everything-else-second response was also expected.

The NFL and the men who operate it are not in the business of healing. They are not about self-improvement. They are about football — first, foremost and above everything else.

That is not a controversial statement, or even a criticism. There is no “gotcha” there. And that stance is not extreme. Those words are a reflection of what the NFL has shown itself to be about, over and over, year after year.

If the NFL generally and the men who run the league specifically truly cared about Hunt beyond his gifts on a football field, they never would have allowed him to sign with the Browns.

That’s nothing against the Browns, who with quarterback Baker Mayfield leading a nice collection of talent are well-positioned to be a contender for years.

It’s just that Cleveland is the last place Hunt should be, not the first. He grew up in a nearby suburb, in a home without his father around consistently. He has a mom and grandma and brother who love him deeply, but he’s also shown himself incapable of avoiding the traps of stardom in his hometown.

His problems — the ones we know about, anyway — have come in Cleveland, or with old influences from Cleveland, or both.

Those influences are strong enough that at one point the Chiefs pushed for Hunt to stay in Kansas City full-time, to concentrate fully on football and shrink the number of outside voices from which Hunt was hearing. Remember: That was before the video went public, back when the Chiefs believed Hunt when he told them that he had stayed in his room the night of the hotel incident.

Now, the Browns have essentially made it impossible to track or limit the influences that have already proved too much for Hunt to manage.

This doesn’t mean that Hunt will fail. This doesn’t mean Hunt will be arrested again. This doesn’t mean the Browns haven’t made a smart football decision.

Maybe Hunt has been scared straight. That’s possible, too. The Browns appear to be building something real, finally, with an offense on the rise and a defense loaded with talent. Whenever Hunt is able to join them — an eight-game suspension seems to be the minimum punishment he’s looking at — they will only be more talented.

But that’s a very different issue than the one Dorsey addressed in his statement, or the one the NFL would love for you to believe it cares about. Dorsey talked exclusively about Hunt becoming a better man, of following the league’s guidelines for personal conduct.

That is, to be kind, hogwash.

Hunt was cut less than three months ago. He just began counseling. He’s still on the commissioner’s exempt list. This is not the process for a team or league that prioritizes a young man’s recovery. This is the process for a team salivating at an elite talent available on the cheap.

That doesn’t make the Browns a bad organization. It makes them a business. It makes them what we should expect.

But spare us the empty posturing, especially when you’re putting the guy in the worst possible situation he could find.

Imon Yourside · 02-11-2019, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise

Have fun hanging out with Mayfield.

They will probably simultaneously kill each other.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2019, 05:53 PM

Mellinger nails it.

Personally, I give zero ****s about Hunt at this point for two reasons:

He left the team no choice by lying to them about not one, but apparently multiple incidents.

He's a ****ing RB, we would have been stupid to sign him past his rookie deal anyway. Most disposable position in the league.

He's Cleveland's problem now, meanwhile we're a SB contender without him.

Hammock Parties · 02-11-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Dorsey studied the writings of Sayyid Qutb and is now planning to institute Sharia law across the Ohio Valley.

It's up to Mahomes to destroy his caliphate.

CLASSIC 'HAMAS' POST HERE LADIES AND GERMS

NOW I'M INSPIRED TO INSERT MAHOMES INTO "RULES OF ENGAGEMENT"

"YES GODDAMMIT, WASTE THE MOTHER****ERS"

AT THE VERY LEAST RAMBO III

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	Dorsey would sign Ayman al-Zawahiri if he thought it would win his team one more game over the course of a decade. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Kiimo MVP Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Studio City, CA Casino cash: $4108742	Does anybody here who watched that video think that the "slightly kicked" situation would have escalated a LOT more if his friend wasn't holding him back? Because that's part of it. He was out of control.
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philfree Indian Twitter Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Free Agency Casino cash: $1736198	Cleveland was the scene of the crime so I don't know if this is good for him or not. Home town and all I could see another incident happening. __________________ [/SIGPIC]
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02-11-2019, 05:48 PM	#312
excessive Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $9766885	https://www.kansascity.com/sports/sp...226109265.html Kareem Hunt signs with the Browns, the worst place he could go. Save us the posturing. BY SAM MELLINGER FEBRUARY 11, 2019 03:22 PM Please come with me as we skip over the fake moralizing and manufactured outrage and see that Kareem Hunt was always going to play football again. Might be sooner than expected, and going back to Cleveland is setting him up to fail — more on this in a minute — but he was always going to have another job in the NFL. The Chiefs released the star running back last fall almost immediately after security video surfaced that showed him kicking a woman in a Cleveland hotel. That was the surprise. NFL teams don’t typically act so swiftly, and so decisively, particularly when it comes to removing a key part of a team that was shaping up to be a Super Bowl contender. Does that sound cold? Good. The NFL is cold. Many other businesses are, too. Sales, finance ... heck — journalism. We are all lines on a spreadsheet somewhere, and if our value exceeds cost, then we’re in luck. Hunt’s financial cost is the NFL’s version of peanuts, and he is still just 23 and the was league’s leading rusher in his only full season as a pro. So he’s in luck. The Browns announced they had signed Hunt on Monday. They did so predictably, with a statement from general manager John Dorsey that referenced his personal history with Hunt — Dorsey oversaw the Chiefs front office that selected him in the NFL Draft. Dorsey hit all the expected notes: said Hunt took responsibility for “his egregious actions” that the Browns “do not condone.” Hunt is undergoing treatment and subject to an NFL suspension, and Dorsey’s statement made clear that another incident “will not be tolerated.” Hunt released a statement, too. Again, it hit most of the expected notes. He apologized both for the violence and for lying about it later. He thanked the Browns for the opportunity and expressed a commitment to be “a better and healthier person.” Notably, neither man’s statement mentioned the victim, or even the existence of a victim, and both focused solely on the incident caught on video, ignoring a larger and troubling pattern that developed around Hunt. Sadly, that meat-headed, narcissistic, optics-first-and-everything-else-second response was also expected. The NFL and the men who operate it are not in the business of healing. They are not about self-improvement. They are about football — first, foremost and above everything else. That is not a controversial statement, or even a criticism. There is no “gotcha” there. And that stance is not extreme. Those words are a reflection of what the NFL has shown itself to be about, over and over, year after year. If the NFL generally and the men who run the league specifically truly cared about Hunt beyond his gifts on a football field, they never would have allowed him to sign with the Browns. That’s nothing against the Browns, who with quarterback Baker Mayfield leading a nice collection of talent are well-positioned to be a contender for years. It’s just that Cleveland is the last place Hunt should be, not the first. He grew up in a nearby suburb, in a home without his father around consistently. He has a mom and grandma and brother who love him deeply, but he’s also shown himself incapable of avoiding the traps of stardom in his hometown. His problems — the ones we know about, anyway — have come in Cleveland, or with old influences from Cleveland, or both. Those influences are strong enough that at one point the Chiefs pushed for Hunt to stay in Kansas City full-time, to concentrate fully on football and shrink the number of outside voices from which Hunt was hearing. Remember: That was before the video went public, back when the Chiefs believed Hunt when he told them that he had stayed in his room the night of the hotel incident. Now, the Browns have essentially made it impossible to track or limit the influences that have already proved too much for Hunt to manage. This doesn’t mean that Hunt will fail. This doesn’t mean Hunt will be arrested again. This doesn’t mean the Browns haven’t made a smart football decision. Maybe Hunt has been scared straight. That’s possible, too. The Browns appear to be building something real, finally, with an offense on the rise and a defense loaded with talent. Whenever Hunt is able to join them — an eight-game suspension seems to be the minimum punishment he’s looking at — they will only be more talented. But that’s a very different issue than the one Dorsey addressed in his statement, or the one the NFL would love for you to believe it cares about. Dorsey talked exclusively about Hunt becoming a better man, of following the league’s guidelines for personal conduct. That is, to be kind, hogwash. Hunt was cut less than three months ago. He just began counseling. He’s still on the commissioner’s exempt list. This is not the process for a team or league that prioritizes a young man’s recovery. This is the process for a team salivating at an elite talent available on the cheap. That doesn’t make the Browns a bad organization. It makes them a business. It makes them what we should expect. But spare us the empty posturing, especially when you’re putting the guy in the worst possible situation he could find. __________________ "I've been known to party some, but I ain't ever hurt no one. Been ashamed of things I've done, especially when, especially when, especially when I'm stoned." D.A.C.
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02-11-2019, 05:53 PM	#314
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4971115	Mellinger nails it. Personally, I give zero **s about Hunt at this point for two reasons: He left the team no choice by lying to them about not one, but apparently multiple incidents. He's a **ing RB, we would have been stupid to sign him past his rookie deal anyway. Most disposable position in the league. He's Cleveland's problem now, meanwhile we're a SB contender without him.
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