If the Chiefs go 8-8 or better 49ers get a 2nd round pick.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

A third- or second-rounder from Kansas City, the remnant of the Alex Smith deal. Now it can be told: The second draft choice San Francisco will receive from the Smith deal will be K.C.'s second-rounder in 2014 if the Chiefs go 8-8 or better this season. It will be a third-rounder in 2014 if Kansas City is under .500 this season.

So: San Francisco will probably have first-, second- and four third-rounders next year. But if the Chiefs surprise, it'll more likely be a one, two twos and three threes. As we've seen, GM Trent Baalke is dangerous with extra picks in his hands. If Colin Kaepernick is very good, the Niners should be annual contenders for years with the picks laid out that way.

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[-King-]

Originally Posted by splatbass

When did anyone say that 8-8 is our aim? Ridiculous hyperbole.

It's apparently our barometer for success. Otherwise Reid and Dorsey would have made it 10-6 or some other winning record.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Eh, Axl's time is short at best. He'll probably be hired as Bray's QB coach sooner rather than later.
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[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Tyler Palko was an NFL starting QB.

Me: Geno is looking like the only rookie as this point good enough to be a starting QB out the gates

Pat: Tyler Palko once started an NFL game at age 30 after starting the season as a backup.


WTF?

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by splatbass

After 2-14 and the worst team in the history of the Chiefs 8-8 would not be a failure - it would be a good first step. Anyone that expects much more under the circumstances is completely unrealistic. Delusional even.

It's the worst record, but the team returns 6 probowl players. This isn't your ordinary talent depleted bottom feeder. They went all in on Alex so it's playoffs or failure.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Me: Geno is looking like the only rookie as this point good enough to be a starting QB out the gates

Pat: Tyler Palko once started an NFL game at age 30 after starting the season as a backup.


WTF?

It's only Patteeu's 3rd month of talking Chiefs football. Give him time to adjust to how football discussions should go.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Alex "short-timer" Smith. Just rolls right off the tongue, don't it?
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[-King-]

Originally Posted by splatbass

After 2-14 and the worst team in the history of the Chiefs 8-8 would not be a failure - it would be a good first step. Anyone that expects much more under the circumstances is completely unrealistic. Delusional even.

Why? If we were focused on building, then why the **** would we trade two 2nd round picks for a 29 year old QB?

It makes no sense. If a team makes that move, they're obviously in win now mode. If they don't win now, they failed.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Me: Geno is looking like the only rookie as this point good enough to be a starting QB out the gates

Pat: Tyler Palko once started an NFL game at age 30 after starting the season as a backup.


WTF?

Geno may get his chance to start, but it's how he plays that will determine whether he's Warren Moon or Vince Young (or Tyler Palko). Merely starting isn't the goal.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by -King-

It's apparently our barometer for success. Otherwise Reid and Dorsey would have made it 10-6 or some other winning record.

No, its a barometer for turning the 3rd into a 2nd. Who is saying it's success?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Messier

No, its a barometer for turning the 3rd into a 2nd. Who is saying it's success?

What? So what's the point of including it?

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by -King-

What? So what's the point of including it?

When a store owner prices an item at $3.50, do you wonder what the point of including the $0.50 is? He could have priced it at $4.00 or $3.00, but for whatever reason the price was $3.50.

In this case, they settled on a value for Alex Smith of between a 2nd + a 3rd and a 2nd + a 2nd. The point of including it is that they wanted the price to be higher than a 2nd and a 3rd and we wanted it to be lower than a 2nd and a 2nd. We settled for a sort of mid ground.

Would you have felt better about it if the 2014 pick had been a straight up 2nd or a 2nd with a chance to go to a 1st if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl?

If I'm making this too complicated for you just tell me to slow down. Since I've only been talking about football for 3 months, I'm not sure how simplified I need to make it for you guys who have been hard at it since the dawn of 2009.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by patteeu

Would you have felt better about it if the 2014 pick had been a straight up 2nd or a 2nd with a chance to go to a 1st if the Chiefs win the Super Bowl?

This is just as dumb as the first time you said it.

How about they get NOTHING in 2014 unless we make the playoffs, then it goes to a second if we make the postseason...then goes to a first if we win a playoff game.

If you are gonna make an OBVIOUS win RIGHT NOW move, at least set the bar to something more than a .500 record.

[BossChief]

The perception of the trigger being good or bad would have been changed quite a bit if the bar was set to 9-7.

Setting it at 8-8 is a ****ing joke.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by -King-

It's apparently our barometer for success. Otherwise Reid and Dorsey would have made it 10-6 or some other winning record.

This is stupid. If you think that they are only trying to go 8-8 you are delusional. The deal they made has nothing to do with their goals.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

It's the worst record, but the team returns 6 probowl players. This isn't your ordinary talent depleted bottom feeder. They went all in on Alex so it's playoffs or failure.

You say that only because you are mad they traded for Smith. You are setting unreasonable expectations so you can say "See, I told you so" if they don't make it. You are very transparent (and childish).