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Old 01-20-2019, 09:33 PM  
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Why is Mahomes incapable of running a 4 minute offense

Yeah yeah yeah defense sucks ass and Mahomes got us to OT. Cool, I don't give a flying ****. Mahomes and Andy have serious ****ing issues they need to fix. And to be frank I think it's a Mahomes issue more than an Andy one. He seems obsessed with the deep ball even when we very clearly don't need it or want it. Like he literally threw bomb after bomb on our second to last drive and one of those bombs almost got picked.

I love Mahomes as much as anyone else, but I'm hoping this isn't some weird Favre like bullshit that plagues his career forever. Hopefully Andy can drill him into being a smarter QB.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:00 AM   #106
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Mahomes didn't have an HOF caliber game but we did score 31 in the second half.

It's simply unreal that the Chiefs have zero SB appearances with the offenses they've had under Vermeil and Reid. Guys off the street would have been better than Greg Robinson, Gunther, and Sutton.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:00 AM   #107
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So now your main argument is the offense didn't score enough in the first half but you were just complaining about the offense scoring in the 2nd half. I mean I get your point to an extent but c'mon. Yes I understand the offense didn't score in the first half and that is very frustrating and is warranted for criticism but you cannot tell me Reid, Mahomes, and the rest of the offense didn't do enough to win that game despite the first half struggles... Dee Ford being offsides literally lost the game. Coin flip (which I always thought was such a shitty and un-controllable way to decide NFL overtime games) lost us the game. The phantom roughing the passer call lost us the game. Everything else that happened in that game was enough to be in ATL in 2 weeks. It might've not been pretty (Erving's hold, Defense inability to stop the run game early, missed throws, etc) but we would still be in the Super Bowl.
"If" can be applied to many plays in that game. Chiefs had their chances and just didn't execute well enough in all 3 phases of the game.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:06 AM   #108
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There is plenty of blame to go around. Pat and the entire offense looked like they sh*t their pants in the first half. 0 points. OL couldn’t protect Mahomes on the Patriot blitz. Two overthrows that would have ended in points. B&B were ready to go in to half up 7, until Reid calls a TO.... then Pats convert and find themselves with enough time to keep going down the field.

4Q the D couldn’t get Brady off the field with about 6+ chances with 3rd and long.

If Sutton isn’t fired and we can’t address some defensive personnel holes in the draft, I can envision a scenario where Reid and the Chiefs peak in year one of the Mahomes era and never are able to capitalize again.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:08 AM   #109
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Then the entire NFL is limited in their thinking.

Because NO ONE tries to "slow down" their offense when they are behind.

Running the ball a few times isn't "slowing down" the offense. Its burning the clock.
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Old 01-21-2019, 12:09 AM   #110
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Running the ball a few times isn't "slowing down" the offense. Its burning the clock.
Holy shit you are ****ing brilliant.... Never thought about it that way!!!!
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:14 AM   #111
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And yet our attacking qb was inches away and a coin flip away from taking not only the Chiefs but most of the afc to the closest they've gotten to a super bowl. We proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that as our qb gets better, we're going to be really tough to beat. And he's not going to do it by managing games.
Yea and the Panthers, and the Falcons, and the Seahawks, and and and...

Seriously, at some point you have to stop talking about almost and realize that football games are won a certain way. That’s why I asked when was the last time a team with a quick strike offense won the Super Bowl. You can live in almost, or you can accept that there are flaws to the Reid style regardless of the regular season. Call it “managing” games all you want, I call it smart football. Winning football is about balance and toughness, and no matter how much the rules change it always will be
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:19 AM   #112
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99 Rams, ''08 Steelers, '09 Saints, '10 Packers, and numerous others made the Super Bowl.
They were not “quick strike” offenses. They had balance, WAY more balance than what the Chiefs have. My point still stands

Even the greatest show on turf methodically broke teams down with runs and short catches from Marshall Faulk. Even the Saints this year, contrary to popular belief aren’t quick strike. They’re methodical and efficient with Kamara and Ingram. They don’t leave their defense out on the field all day. So, what were you saying?
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:22 AM   #113
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:25 AM   #114
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I'm not certain why you chose to quote me.



Everything I said there is 100% accurate.

Let me make it simple. If you start messing around in a game that you're losing, you might never score. Would it have been better for the Chiefs to score the go ahead touchdown with 14 seconds left on the clock? Of course. Everyone knows that. You're arguing something that isn't in doubt. The Chiefs were taking what the Patriots were giving them. It's possible they could have sprinkled in a few runs. It's also possible they do that and end up turning it over on downs. I don't know and neither do you. The four minute offense is not for screwing around while you're losing. The results were negative for the Chiefs, but that doesn't open the door to criticism of how they scored.

So I emphatically restate my case: If scoring too fast is an issue, you have bigger problems -- like a shitty defense.
Okay Chip Kelly. If that’s your argument

If you don’t understand that balance wins championships in the NFL, I can’t help you. The average NFL fan is obsessed with scoring left and right, and then those very fans are disappointed come playoff time

I’ve been watching Andy Reid since 2002. I love the man, but his style of play has always had one glaring flaw compared to the teams who have actually won it all. Lack of balance. So sure, score fast and exhaust your defense. Then have a million what if’s after
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:34 AM   #115
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:36 AM   #116
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They had the ball with a chance to win in regulation. Andy elected for a coin toss rather than risk an INT. The problem is fat boy.
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:37 AM   #117
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Yeah yeah yeah defense sucks ass and Mahomes got us to OT. Cool, I don't give a flying ****. Mahomes and Andy have serious ****ing issues they need to fix. And to be frank I think it's a Mahomes issue more than an Andy one. He seems obsessed with the deep ball even when we very clearly don't need it or want it. Like he literally threw bomb after bomb on our second to last drive and one of those bombs almost got picked.

I love Mahomes as much as anyone else, but I'm hoping this isn't some weird Favre like bullshit that plagues his career forever. Hopefully Andy can drill him into being a smarter QB.
Take a breath and realize how stupid you sound. It's all good man. Get a grip.
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Old 01-21-2019, 04:41 AM   #118
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Would you prefer Alex take 8 minutes and still ****ing punt Smith? Mahoney is like the last of our problems. Sutton should be brought before the guillotine.
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This is one of the dumbest takes I have ever heard.

If all you need is a field goal to take the lead, then yes, you can and should try to work the clock once you get into comfortable range. If you need a TD, you score whenever you can. There is no guarantee you can burn clock and still get in the endzone.
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Yeah yeah yeah defense sucks ass and Mahomes got us to OT. Cool, I don't give a flying ****. Mahomes and Andy have serious ****ing issues they need to fix. And to be frank I think it's a Mahomes issue more than an Andy one. He seems obsessed with the deep ball even when we very clearly don't need it or want it. Like he literally threw bomb after bomb on our second to last drive and one of those bombs almost got picked.

I love Mahomes as much as anyone else, but I'm hoping this isn't some weird Favre like bullshit that plagues his career forever. Hopefully Andy can drill him into being a smarter QB.
Dude... get a grip...
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