2023 Free Agency

[O.city]

Figured we could get one of these going as well.

Who's some guys we like, would like to see in KC?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Agree 100%

Marvin Mims at 63 >>> Jalin Hyatt at 31

— Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) March 31, 2023

Sure, but I also think it's more likely that Hyatt is there at 31 then Mims at 63.

[The Franchise]

Just like we could totally sit at the end of the 2nd round last year and hope that a DE was going to fall to us.....until they all went well before our pick.

[RunKC]

“Why would Spags want Will McDonald?”

Well we were at his pro day. Due diligence? They also looked at Nolan Smith (238 lbs), Lonnie Phelps (244 lbs) and BJ Goodson (242 lbs). We’ve looked at quite a few undersized edge rushers.

As far as I can tell, Spags has his Strahan prototype (Jones), he has his Tuck prototype (Omenihu) and now he’s looking for his Umenyiora speed rusher.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

“Why would Spags want Will McDonald?”

Well we were at his pro day. Due diligence? They also looked at Nolan Smith (238 lbs), Lonnie Phelps (244 lbs) and BJ Goodson (242 lbs). We’ve looked at quite a few undersized edge rushers.

As far as I can tell, Spags has his Strahan prototype (Jones), he has his Tuck prototype (Omenihu) and now he’s looking for his Umenyiora speed rusher.

I like Will McDonald, but he's 20 pounds lighter than Osi was. And saying "well he's tall, he can add 20 lbs of good weight' is seeing what you want to see. It's NOT easy to add 20 lbs of weight without losing your athleticism. Ask Karlaftis how that went for him at Purdue.

And yes, the Chiefs would almost certainly put him to use, but how can McDonald be some no-brainer selection when there's a CLEAR red flag here? He is not an NFL starting DE right now. Yet that's something you'll dismiss and say 'we'd have to take him if he's there' while saying that Addison wouldn't be on your board in the first because he didn't time well?

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

“Why would Spags want Will McDonald?”

Well we were at his pro day. Due diligence? They also looked at Nolan Smith (238 lbs), Lonnie Phelps (244 lbs) and BJ Goodson (242 lbs). We’ve looked at quite a few undersized edge rushers.

As far as I can tell, Spags has his Strahan prototype (Jones), he has his Tuck prototype (Omenihu) and now he’s looking for his Umenyiora speed rusher.

Why wouldn't Chenal be used as a pass rusher? It was one of his strengths in college. In fact, I'm pretty sure I read a report before the draft that listed him as a better pass-rusher than TJ Watt.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I like Will McDonald, but he's 20 pounds lighter than Osi was. And saying "well he's tall, he can add 20 lbs of good weight' is seeing what you want to see. It's NOT easy to add 20 lbs of weight without losing your athleticism. Ask Karlaftis how that went for him at Purdue.

And yes, the Chiefs would almost certainly put him to use, but how can McDonald be some no-brainer selection when there's a CLEAR red flag here? He is not an NFL starting DE right now. Yet that's something you'll dismiss and say 'we'd have to take him if he's there' while saying that Addison wouldn't be on your board in the first because he didn't time well?

Nobody has been screaming Will McDonald at 31 louder than me, but I'm not taking him over any of the top 4 WRs.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla

Why wouldn't Chenal be used as a pass rusher? It was one of his strengths in college. In fact, I'm pretty sure I read a report before the draft that listed him as a better pass-rusher than TJ Watt.

I still don't understand all that.

He was an INTERIOR rusher in college. I looked at all his sacks and I think about 3/4 of them came on an interior blitz. And sometimes they were all but lining him up at DT.

He's never demonstrated anything that I saw in college or the pros to say he's an edge rusher with any kind of genuine pass rush moves. He was just a guided missile they sent on blitzes up the gut.

I just feel like anybody acting like he could be some sort of wide 9 blitzer is doing some box score scouting.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I still don't understand all that.

He was an INTERIOR rusher in college. I looked at all his sacks and I think about 3/4 of them came on an interior blitz. And sometimes they were all but lining him up at DT.

He's never demonstrated anything that I saw in college or the pros to say he's an edge rusher with any kind of genuine pass rush moves. He was just a guided missile they sent on blitzes up the gut.

I just feel like anybody acting like he could be some sort of wide 9 blitzer is doing some box score scouting.

Weird.

Most of what I saw was him getting QBs on the ground before the LOS in the flat after they escaped the pocket and stalled.

I’ll have to re-watch.

[ChiefsFanatic]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I don't have a problem with that either, but I'd just take the big swing on potentially the best WR in this class.

I just don't see Johnston failing with Andy and Pat. I'd probably be a little more concnered if it were any other team.

If we made a move, and could take Johnston or Smith-Njigba, who would you prefer?

Smith-Njigba played with Olave and Wilson, and looked better than both the few times I watched Ohio State when they were all on the team together.

But, I have always wanted a big receiver, especially since Andy seems to be stuck on smaller receivers. I know that technically MVS is 6'4" but he is the smallest looking 6'4" receiver I can ever remember. Johnston is bigger than Smith-Njigba by 3-ish inches, but Smith-Njigba seemed to be a little more polished route runner.

[The Franchise]

Between Johnston and JSN? JSN every single time.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Wilson8

KC contracts for new signings

OT Prince Tega Wanogho – 2023 $940,000 Base, $400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $25,000 Workout Bonus, $1,865,000 Cap Hit, $750,000 Guaranteed

DL Tershawn Wharton – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $500,000 Signing Bonus, $425,000 Roster Bonus, $90,000 Workout Bonus, $1,725,000 Cap Hit, $850,000 Guaranteed, $2,025,000 Total

OT Jawaan Taylor - 4 year, $80,000,000, including a $18,900,000 signing bonus, $60,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $20,000,000.
2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $5.825,000 Cap Hit.
2024 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.
2025 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.
2026 - $19,500,000 Base, $4,725,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Workout Bonus, $24.725,000 Cap Hit.

DE CharlesOmenihu - 2 year, $16 million contract,.$10.6 million guaranteed, $8.6 million at signing,
2023 - $1,080,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $4,850,000 Cap Hit
2024 - $6,740,000 Base, $3,750,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $150,000 Workout Bonus, $11,150,000 Cap Hit

P Tommy Townsend – 2003 $2,627,000 Base, $2,627,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

G/C Nick Allegretti – 2003 $2,430,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,232,500 Cap Hit, $2,430,000 Guaranteed

LB Drue Tranquill – 2003 $1,010,000 Base, $1,440,000 Signing Bonus, $510,000 Roster Bonus, $40,000 Workout Bonus, $3,000,000 Cap Hit, $2,450,000 Guaranteed

DT Derrick Nnadi – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $152,500 Signing Bonus, $1,092,500 Cap Hit, $1,092,500 Guaranteed, $1,232,500 Contract Value

S Mike Edwards – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $1,400,000 Signing Bonus, $500,000 Roster Bonus, $20,000 Workout Bonus, $2,882,353 Cap Hit, $2,480,000 Guaranteed

TE Jody Fortson ERFA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee

QB Shane Buechele ERFA - $940,000 Base, $0 guarantee

TE Blake Bell – 2003 $1,165,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

DT Byron Cowart – 2003 $1,080,000 Base, $940,000 Cap Hit, $0 Guaranteed

DT Phil Hoskins – 2023 $940,000, $940,000 Cap Hit. $0 Guaranteed

Chiefs are down to $2,038,656 of effective cap space.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/kansas-city-chiefs
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space

So, read on Arrowhead Addict (or something like that) earlier to day that somehow Veach played with the numbers and we actually have a little over $5 million in cap space, not $2 million.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Agree 100%

Marvin Mims at 63 >>> Jalin Hyatt at 31

— Kent Swanson (@kent_swanson) March 31, 2023

Ibe been on the mims and Minho train for two weeks now. I’d really like to see one of the two on the chiefs.

[Wilson8]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

So, read on Arrowhead Addict (or something like that) earlier to day that somehow Veach played with the numbers and we actually have a little over $5 million in cap space, not $2 million.

You are correct.

The $2M is effective cap space. Effective Cap Space = The cap space a team will have after signing at least 51 players and its projected rookie class to its roster.

Trades of draft picks up or down affects this.

Overthecap.com says we actually have $4,744,696 of space.

Also, KC always keeps a few million of cap space to use during the season.

I assume we will see some additional cap movement from Brett Veach. Maybe a new contract for Chris Jones that reduces his $28,291,668 2023 cap hit?

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Wilson8

You are correct.

The $2M is effective cap space. Effective Cap Space = The cap space a team will have after signing at least 51 players and its projected rookie class to its roster.

Trades of draft picks up or down affects this.

Overthecap.com says we actually have $4,744,696 of space.

Also, KC always keeps a few million of cap space to use during the season.

I assume we will see some additional cap movement from Brett Veach. Maybe a new contract for Chris Jones that reduces his $28,291,668 2023 cap hit?

An article I skimmed a few days ago in either AA or AP mentioned that a restructure of CJ's contract could give Veach several more millions to work with if necessary. Close to or over $10 million of extra space, iirc. Again, I don't know squat about how the cap works, but I figure those guys would have to know a lot more than me about it to write about it.

EDIT: the author did not say that any restructure of CJ's contract was in the works, no rumors, nothing. He only said that it was possible.

[jjchieffan]

The Seahawks withdrew the RFA tender of safety Ryan Neal. I would like to see him end up in KC.