2023 Free Agency

[O.city]

Figured we could get one of these going as well.

Who's some guys we like, would like to see in KC?

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15

This is Frank Clark logic 101. But yes, I agree. When it mattered he showed up big.

A whole lot cheaper than frank and was available every game.

[Chris Meck]

I think a lot of people don't really understand what the offense was in '22.

MVS's job, for the most part, was to keep the threat of the long ball in play. This, in turn, opened up all of the Kelce and Juju short to intermediate stuff. If they pulled safeties down to deal with that, then MVS would blow by most corners with his 4.3 speed.

So you can look at the number of receptions if you want to, but it's not really telling you the full story.

This offense isn't going to have a #1 WR pulling in 90-100 balls other than Kelce. It's not designed to.

It's designed to take different types of skillsets and deploy them in such a way as to take advantage of a defense's weak points. Most teams still sat in two deep and forced Mahomes to dink and dunk-and guess what? He did, and we won the Super Bowl.

And when we were down to Marcus Kemp playing meaningful snaps in the AFCCG, we saw MVS step up and run a full route tree and come up big time.

Doesn't mean he couldn't have at any other point; just means that nobody else could fly like that and keep the safeties deep so he was that guy.

You need a guy like that. And you need the shifty guys. And you need a big body or two to muscle through press man. You need the varied skill-sets if you're going to be diverse, and not a hero-ball offense.

We were getting diminishing returns with that. This is much better, because the snake has like 6 heads to bite you with.

MVS is an important cog. If you cut him, you have to replace him, which is counterproductive. 4.3 guys don't grow on trees.

[Bowser]

That downfield pass he caught backwards to haul it in against Cinci in the AFCCG was money.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

I think a lot of people don't really understand what the offense was in '22.

MVS's job, for the most part, was to keep the threat of the long ball in play. This, in turn, opened up all of the Kelce and Juju short to intermediate stuff. If they pulled safeties down to deal with that, then MVS would blow by most corners with his 4.3 speed.

So you can look at the number of receptions if you want to, but it's not really telling you the full story.

This offense isn't going to have a #1 WR pulling in 90-100 balls other than Kelce. It's not designed to.

It's designed to take different types of skillsets and deploy them in such a way as to take advantage of a defense's weak points. Most teams still sat in two deep and forced Mahomes to dink and dunk-and guess what? He did, and we won the Super Bowl.

And when we were down to Marcus Kemp playing meaningful snaps in the AFCCG, we saw MVS step up and run a full route tree and come up big time.

Doesn't mean he couldn't have at any other point; just means that nobody else could fly like that and keep the safeties deep so he was that guy.

You need a guy like that. And you need the shifty guys. And you need a big body or two to muscle through press man. You need the varied skill-sets if you're going to be diverse, and not a hero-ball offense.

We were getting diminishing returns with that. This is much better, because the snake has like 6 heads to bite you with.

MVS is an important cog. If you cut him, you have to replace him, which is counterproductive. 4.3 guys don't grow on trees.

Agreed! But I think his price tag is too high next year and for that # he's replaceable.

[Couch-Potato]

Originally Posted by Bowser

It's 11 million, that's not awful for what he brought to the offense. It will cost 10.4 against the cap if we cut him. He's not going anywhere unless it's in a trade.

It's $14m next season, though.

Listen, I like MVS just fine, but If we're not willing to pay JuJu $11m per year, and Hopkins for $19.5m & $14.5m is too much to consider, then I have a hard time paying MVS, especially beyond this season.

MVS is the new Hardman, he runs the deep routes to spread the offense and opens up our underneath game, it'll be interesting to see how he does this season with more targets but we can't over pay him.

[O.city]

If you have a chance to get a single player with those varied skill sets that can do different things, it goes without saying that's the way to go.

The issue with the 21 offense wasn't "we had Tyreek and kept trying to play hero ball". It was with Pat.

He played differently in 22 as he matured and aged.

[O.city]

As soon as the Chiefs have a guy at WR that can be a 100 catch guy, they'll go back to getting the ball in his hands.

[duncan_idaho]

Valdes-Scantling will play out this year on his current cap hit, which is not enormous or a problem to me.

Unless he goes nuts, they'll likely cut him after this season. But you can't apples-to-apples compare him to Smith-Schuster. Valdes-Scantling's speed and level of threat as a deep threat is a lot more rare than Smith-Schuster's reliable hands, toughness, and ability to work the middle of the field.

There are lots of dudes who can do what Smith-Schuster does. There are not lots of dudes who can do what Valdes-Scantling does.

How they operate in the draft will be telling, as always. If they add a receiver with the deep speed to operate like Valdes-Scantling has, a 2024 cut is a lot more likely.

[Iczer]

Any interest at DJ Fluker to fill in at tackle? He's getting a bunch of interest now as he's got himself into shape and ready to play again.

[Dunerdr]

Originally Posted by Iczer

Any interest at DJ Fluker to fill in at tackle? He's getting a bunch of interest now as he's got himself into shape and ready to play again.

I'd bring him in as camp fodder/ possible back up.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

It's $14m next season, though.

Listen, I like MVS just fine, but If we're not willing to pay JuJu $11m per year, and Hopkins for $19.5m & $14.5m is too much to consider, then I have a hard time paying MVS, especially beyond this season.

MVS is the new Hardman, he runs the deep routes to spread the offense and opens up our underneath game, it'll be interesting to see how he does this season with more targets but we can't over pay him.

First off....why are you worried about next season when we aren't there yet?

Second off...Hardman was never running deep routes to spread out the offense. He was the gadget, behind the LOS guy.

[RunKC]

I think we’re drafting MVS’s replacement this month. May not do much this year but will take over in 2024.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by O.city

As soon as the Chiefs have a guy at WR that can be a 100 catch guy, they'll go back to getting the ball in his hands.

As soon as they develop one. They're not going to go buy one.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

As soon as they develop one. They're not going to go buy one.

Well, then they better do it this season. Travis will be 34 in Oct. 2023. I love Travis, but I seriously doubt he's going to be the 1 for KC at 35 years old, getting 150+ targets in the 2024-25 season. How many TEs in history were the no. 1 target for any team after age 34? I might need to look that up.

So we have this season, next year's draft at the very latest, to draft and develop a real WR1 (TE1 whatever).

[Bump]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

It's $14m next season, though.

Listen, I like MVS just fine, but If we're not willing to pay JuJu $11m per year, and Hopkins for $19.5m & $14.5m is too much to consider, then I have a hard time paying MVS, especially beyond this season.

MVS is the new Hardman, he runs the deep routes to spread the offense and opens up our underneath game, it'll be interesting to see how he does this season with more targets but we can't over pay him.

we got exactly what we should have expected from MVS.