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**DaFace** · 03:36 PM

Since a number of cool things are happening in space exploration these days, we'll widen the scope of this thread a smidge. Conversation about all things space exploration are welcome, whether it be from NASA, SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, or anyone else. Chances are most of the discussion will still be about SpaceX since they love to make things public and fun, but nothing's off limits. I'll eventually get around to modifying the OP to include resources for other companies too, but in the meantime, feel free to post any cool stuff you run across.

Lists of Upcoming Missions

Spoiler!

How to Watch a Live Launch

Spoiler!

Where to Learn More

Spoiler!

Glossary

Spoiler!

Space discussions tend to get a little bogged down in jargon, so here's a list of terms you might encounter. (Others, please let me know of others that should be added.)

ASDS - Autonomous Spaceport Droneship - The "barges" that they sometimes land rockets on.
Dragon - The cone-shaped capsule that sits at the top of the rocket for ISS-bound launches that holds the cargo (or, in the future, humans).
F9 - Falcon 9, the name of the rocket itself.
FH - Falcon Heavy, the three-booster version.
GTO - Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit, a type of orbit that will eventually result in the satellite orbiting the earth as it turns so that it seems to be in the same spot from the ground (such as DirecTV or Dish satellites). These types of launches are particularly challenging because they require a lot of power to get them into the right orbit, leaving very little fuel left for landing.
HIF - Horizontal Integration Facility - the building near the launch pad where they put all of the pieces of the rocket together before rolling it out to the pad.
ISS - The International Space Station
JRTI - Just Read The Instructions, the name of the "barge" that they land on for west-coast launches.
LEO - Low Earth Orbit, a fairly low orbit shared by many satellites and ISS. These launches usually require less power to achieve the proper orbit, so the first stage can often be landed back on land rather than on a drone ship.
LZ1 - Landing Zone 1, basically a big open slab of concrete at Cape Canaveral where the first stage will attempt to land (for some launches).
NET - No Earlier Than, basically the date they're hoping to launch, but rocket launches have a tendency of getting delayed.
OCISLY - Of Course I Still Love You, the name of the "barge" that they land on for east-coast launches.
RTLS - Return to Landing Site, a mission where the first stage comes back and lands at LZ1.
Starship - SpaceX's next-generation rocket (and spacecraft) that will hopefully one day take us to Mars. Starship is the "second stage" that will carry cargo or people, but also refers to the whole system. (It's confusing, but think of it like the Space Shuttle, which was both the shuttle itself and the entire launch system.)
Super Heavy - The giant booster that will carry Starship to space.

MagicHef · 12-05-2019, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

Biggest waste of money and time. We have many homeless and many problems here on this planet that could use this money WASTED ON SPACE EXPLORATION. SUPER LAME according to me. GO CHIEFS!

Disagree. Space exploration is one of the biggest drivers of technological advancements we have, and technology has been reducing global poverty in large amounts in recent years.

MagicHef · 12-05-2019, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Pretty mundane anymore.

I'm really looking forward to the in-flight abort test and seeing a Falcon 9 explode in the air.

GloryDayz · 12-05-2019, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Pretty mundane anymore.

It really is..

Megatron96 · 12-05-2019, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperBowl4

Biggest waste of money and time. We have many homeless and many problems here on this planet that could use this money WASTED ON SPACE EXPLORATION. SUPER LAME according to me. GO CHIEFS!

What on God's green Earth are you talking about? This year we spent 21.5 billion on NASA's budget, or 0.49% of the federal budget.

0.49%. In case the decimal threw you, that's less than a 1/2 (HALF) percent.

Our space exploration budget has been operating on a shoe string budget for decades. Since its inception in 1958, the U.S. has spent just 601 billion dollars on its space program, not even 2/3rds of a trillion dollars. Or less than what we spend on public education annually. And you think the space program is a waste of money. The fact is that our space program is probably the leanest program in the history of modern Man.

We should be spending more, not less. If we'd spent just another half a percent (1/2, 0.5) for the last 30 years, we'd have a permanent colony on the Moon by now, Americans would've already walked on Mars, and we might've already sent a light sail laser-powered probe to the nearest stars. And all of that new tech would've meant significant expansions in manufacturing, production, energy efficiency, etc.

**DaFace** · 12-13-2019, 03:54 PM

Looks like Boeing is finally getting ready to test their ISS crew capsule next week!

https://www.space.com/boeing-starlin...ch-dec-20.html

**Donger** · 12-13-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

Looks like Boeing is finally getting ready to test their ISS crew capsule next week!

https://www.space.com/boeing-starlin...ch-dec-20.html

I'm really excited to see the Atlas V stick the landing.

**DaFace** · 12-13-2019, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Donger

I'm really excited to see the Atlas V stick the landing.

Ha. While blowing up in the atmosphere isn't quite as exciting as a Falcon 9 landing, I mainly just want to get SOMEBODY who can get people up to the ISS and back...

**DaFace** · 12-13-2019, 04:02 PM

Also, another (routine) SpaceX launch is on the way next week as well.

The booster supporting this mission previously supported the CRS-17 and CRS-18 missions pic.twitter.com/BDtOZOxZ9J
— SpaceX (@SpaceX) December 13, 2019

eDave · 12-13-2019, 04:12 PM

I believe they are delivering marijuana cultures to the station this time.

**DaFace** · 12-13-2019, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by eDave

I believe they are delivering marijuana cultures to the station this time.

Next CRS launch - yes - but that's not until March.

GloryDayz · 12-13-2019, 05:37 PM

Seeing the clip of the Boeing control room full of people wearing ties was interesting.

**Donger** · 12-16-2019, 02:39 PM

Tonight, SpaceX is set to launch one of its last missions of the year from Florida. For this flight, the company will be trying to recover as many pieces of its rocket as possible post-takeoff. The Falcon 9 rocket flying today will attempt one of SpaceX’s signature landings after launch, targeting a drone ship floating in the Atlantic Ocean. After that, two of the company’s modified boats will try to catch the rocket’s nose cone with giant nets.

If all goes well, it’ll mark the first time that SpaceX has recovered so many parts of its vehicle following a launch, catching them all before they hit the ocean. While SpaceX has been fairly consistent with landing its rockets after each flight, the company has just started seeing some success with catching the rocket’s nose cone, also known as the payload fairing. But SpaceX has only had the capability to catch part of the fairing after each flight. That could change today.

The fairing is the bulbous structure that sits on top of the rocket to protect the satellite payload during the ascent to space. Once the vehicle has made it past the bulk of Earth’s atmosphere, the fairing breaks into two pieces and falls back to Earth. Typically, these pieces of the rocket go to waste — something that SpaceX CEO Elon Musk was not happy about. “Imagine you had $6 million in cash in a pallet flying through the air, and it’s going to smash into the ocean,” Musk said once during a press conference. “Would you try to recover that? Yes. Yes, you would.”

In an effort to save these expensive pieces of hardware, SpaceX bought a boat and outfitted it with a giant net in order to catch one half of the fairing when it comes back to Earth. At the same time, SpaceX outfitted each fairing half with its own tiny thrusters and guidance system to help them navigate through our planet’s atmosphere. They also have their own parachutes to slow their fall. When timed just right, the netted boat can swoop underneath the descending fairing and catch it before it hits the ocean.

For a handful of recent launches, SpaceX has been able to catch one of the fairing halves after takeoff — not both. But that’s mostly because the company only had one boat with a giant net. Now, SpaceX has two vessels — named Ms. Tree and Ms. Chief — which will work in tandem to catch both fairings after today’s mission.

As for what’s going up on tonight’s flight, the Falcon 9 rocket is tasked with lofting a dual-use communications satellite called JCSAT-18/Kacific1 to geostationary orbit — a high path 22,000 miles above the Earth’s equator where satellites follow the rotation of the planet. The JCSAT-18 portion of the satellite is meant to provide communication coverage over the Asia-Pacific region for the Japanese SKY Perfect JSAT Corporation. The Kacific1 portion of the satellite will aim to provide communications coverage for areas in Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands without much access to the internet.

The rocket flying today’s mission has already been to space twice before; it previously sent cargo to the space station once in May and then again in July. Today could mark its third landing following a trip to space. So far, the most SpaceX has reused a single vehicle has been four times, though the company claims the latest version of its Falcon 9 rocket can fly up to 10 times without the need for much refurbishment between launches.

SpaceX’s Falcon 9 is set to launch from the company’s pad at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. The company has a launch window that lasts roughly an hour and a half, opening at 7:10PM ET and ending at 8:38PM ET. If, for some reason, the mission cannot get off the ground today, SpaceX can try again at the same time tomorrow, December 17th. So far, the weather seems pretty good for today, with a 90 percent chance that conditions will be favorable, according to the 45th Space Wing that oversees launches from the Cape.

SpaceX’s live coverage will begin about 15 minutes before takeoff, which could change leading up to the launch window. Check out SpaceX’s Twitter for any updates.

Rocket fairing falling from space (higher res) pic.twitter.com/sa1j10qAWi
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 7, 2019

**DaFace** · 12-16-2019, 05:36 PM

Launch coming up in about 30 minutes.

Falcon 9 looking gorgeous on the pad ahead of its 7:10pm EST window opening! Lot of haze in the air tonight but should be a great one regardless.

Watch @NASASpaceflight’s live stream here: https://t.co/arVm1aKKXA @ChrisG_NSF & @KSpaceAcademy will be there answering questions! pic.twitter.com/6VQOiCxkpc
— Brady Kenniston (@TheFavoritist) December 16, 2019

**Donger** · 12-16-2019, 06:06 PM

SpaceX webcast is live

**Donger** · 12-16-2019, 06:17 PM

47 consecutive successful landings? What about that one that landed in the water?

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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2056899	Space Exploration megathread Since a number of cool things are happening in space exploration these days, we'll widen the scope of this thread a smidge. Conversation about all things space exploration are welcome, whether it be from NASA, SpaceX, ULA, Blue Origin, or anyone else. Chances are most of the discussion will still be about SpaceX since they love to make things public and fun, but nothing's off limits. I'll eventually get around to modifying the OP to include resources for other companies too, but in the meantime, feel free to post any cool stuff you run across. Lists of Upcoming Missions Spoiler! General lists: https://nextspaceflight.com/ http://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/ SpaceX specific list: https://spacexnow.com/upcoming.php How to Watch a Live Launch Spoiler! SpaceX: https://www.youtube.com/user/spacexchannel ULA: https://www.youtube.com/user/UnitedLaunchAlliance RocketLab: https://www.youtube.com/user/RocketLabNZ NASATV will also cover some launches (primarily ISS resupply missions): https://www.youtube.com/user/NASAtelevision Where to Learn More Spoiler! Some cool pics... https://www.flickr.com/photos/spacex/ https://www.instagram.com/spacex/?hl=en Twitter feed is usually interesing... https://twitter.com/SpaceX https://twitter.com/elonmusk The SpaceX sub is a great source of info... https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/wiki/index And for a more forum-style discussion board... http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php#c17 And there are plenty of YouTube channels with great content... Joe Scott - Lost of "future" discussion. Some about rockets and space. Much that goes beyond. Scott Manley - Super smart dude (engineer) who reviews a lot of major events in space exploration. Frazer Cain (Universe Today) - Podcast-style videos that go in-depth into space topics. Tim Dodd (Everyday Astronaut) - A "random dude" who got really into space (particularly SpaceX). He's a great resource for simple explanations of this stuff, as well as live hosting launches. USLaunchReport - Lost of videos of the more mundane stuff (e.g., booster recovery operations). Not a ton of commentary. NASASpaceFlight - Live hosting of most launches including a ton of video of Starlink operations. Glossary Spoiler! Space discussions tend to get a little bogged down in jargon, so here's a list of terms you might encounter. (Others, please let me know of others that should be added.) ASDS - Autonomous Spaceport Droneship - The "barges" that they sometimes land rockets on. Dragon - The cone-shaped capsule that sits at the top of the rocket for ISS-bound launches that holds the cargo (or, in the future, humans). F9 - Falcon 9, the name of the rocket itself. FH - Falcon Heavy, the three-booster version. GTO - Geosynchronous Transfer Orbit, a type of orbit that will eventually result in the satellite orbiting the earth as it turns so that it seems to be in the same spot from the ground (such as DirecTV or Dish satellites). These types of launches are particularly challenging because they require a lot of power to get them into the right orbit, leaving very little fuel left for landing. HIF - Horizontal Integration Facility - the building near the launch pad where they put all of the pieces of the rocket together before rolling it out to the pad. ISS - The International Space Station JRTI - Just Read The Instructions, the name of the "barge" that they land on for west-coast launches. LEO - Low Earth Orbit, a fairly low orbit shared by many satellites and ISS. These launches usually require less power to achieve the proper orbit, so the first stage can often be landed back on land rather than on a drone ship. LZ1 - Landing Zone 1, basically a big open slab of concrete at Cape Canaveral where the first stage will attempt to land (for some launches). NET - No Earlier Than, basically the date they're hoping to launch, but rocket launches have a tendency of getting delayed. OCISLY - Of Course I Still Love You, the name of the "barge" that they land on for east-coast launches. RTLS - Return to Landing Site, a mission where the first stage comes back and lands at LZ1. Starship - SpaceX's next-generation rocket (and spacecraft) that will hopefully one day take us to Mars. Starship is the "second stage" that will carry cargo or people, but also refers to the whole system. (It's confusing, but think of it like the Space Shuttle, which was both the shuttle itself and the entire launch system.) Super Heavy - The giant booster that will carry Starship to space. Last edited by DaFace; 12-10-2020 at 03:36 PM..
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Donger "Think BOOM!" Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: 33.675° N 106.475° W Casino cash: $10379900 VARSITY	Tonight, SpaceX is set to launch one of its last missions of the year from Florida. For this flight, the company will be trying to recover as many pieces of its rocket as possible post-takeoff. The Falcon 9 rocket flying today will attempt one of SpaceX’s signature landings after launch, targeting a drone ship floating in the Atlantic Ocean. After that, two of the company’s modified boats will try to catch the rocket’s nose cone with giant nets. If all goes well, it’ll mark the first time that SpaceX has recovered so many parts of its vehicle following a launch, catching them all before they hit the ocean. While SpaceX has been fairly consistent with landing its rockets after each flight, the company has just started seeing some success with catching the rocket’s nose cone, also known as the payload fairing. But SpaceX has only had the capability to catch part of the fairing after each flight. That could change today. The fairing is the bulbous structure that sits on top of the rocket to protect the satellite payload during the ascent to space. Once the vehicle has made it past the bulk of Earth’s atmosphere, the fairing breaks into two pieces and falls back to Earth. Typically, these pieces of the rocket go to waste — something that SpaceX CEO Elon Musk was not happy about. “Imagine you had $6 million in cash in a pallet flying through the air, and it’s going to smash into the ocean,” Musk said once during a press conference. “Would you try to recover that? Yes. Yes, you would.” In an effort to save these expensive pieces of hardware, SpaceX bought a boat and outfitted it with a giant net in order to catch one half of the fairing when it comes back to Earth. At the same time, SpaceX outfitted each fairing half with its own tiny thrusters and guidance system to help them navigate through our planet’s atmosphere. They also have their own parachutes to slow their fall. When timed just right, the netted boat can swoop underneath the descending fairing and catch it before it hits the ocean. For a handful of recent launches, SpaceX has been able to catch one of the fairing halves after takeoff — not both. But that’s mostly because the company only had one boat with a giant net. Now, SpaceX has two vessels — named Ms. Tree and Ms. Chief — which will work in tandem to catch both fairings after today’s mission. As for what’s going up on tonight’s flight, the Falcon 9 rocket is tasked with lofting a dual-use communications satellite called JCSAT-18/Kacific1 to geostationary orbit — a high path 22,000 miles above the Earth’s equator where satellites follow the rotation of the planet. The JCSAT-18 portion of the satellite is meant to provide communication coverage over the Asia-Pacific region for the Japanese SKY Perfect JSAT Corporation. The Kacific1 portion of the satellite will aim to provide communications coverage for areas in Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands without much access to the internet. The rocket flying today’s mission has already been to space twice before; it previously sent cargo to the space station once in May and then again in July. Today could mark its third landing following a trip to space. So far, the most SpaceX has reused a single vehicle has been four times, though the company claims the latest version of its Falcon 9 rocket can fly up to 10 times without the need for much refurbishment between launches. SpaceX’s Falcon 9 is set to launch from the company’s pad at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. The company has a launch window that lasts roughly an hour and a half, opening at 7:10PM ET and ending at 8:38PM ET. If, for some reason, the mission cannot get off the ground today, SpaceX can try again at the same time tomorrow, December 17th. So far, the weather seems pretty good for today, with a 90 percent chance that conditions will be favorable, according to the 45th Space Wing that oversees launches from the Cape. SpaceX’s live coverage will begin about 15 minutes before takeoff, which could change leading up to the launch window. Check out SpaceX’s Twitter for any updates. Rocket fairing falling from space (higher res) pic.twitter.com/sa1j10qAWi — Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 7, 2019 __________________ I think the young people enjoy it when I "get down," verbally, don't you?
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DaFace Kind of a mod Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Donkey Land Casino cash: $2056899	Launch coming up in about 30 minutes. Falcon 9 looking gorgeous on the pad ahead of its 7:10pm EST window opening! Lot of haze in the air tonight but should be a great one regardless. Watch @NASASpaceflight’s live stream here: https://t.co/arVm1aKKXA @ChrisG_NSF & @KSpaceAcademy will be there answering questions! pic.twitter.com/6VQOiCxkpc — Brady Kenniston (@TheFavoritist) December 16, 2019
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