Poop Your expectations for Alex Smith? - Page 6

Crush · 02-24-2013, 07:46 PM

Let's say that the rumors of this franchise successfully trading cancer for AIDS is true. What will be your expectations for the 2013 Kansas City Chiefs?

DJ's left nut · 02-24-2013, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Who was the last backup QB that another team traded for who even won a playoff game?

If the 49ers believed in Smith they never would have traded up to draft Kaepernick.

If the 49ers didn't believe in him, why should we?

It's not the 1980s. They didn't acquire Kaepernick as a cheap value pick then hold on to him for seven years as an insurance policy; they realized they couldn't win with Smith and got rid of him at the first opportunity presented.

Because they were a shitload smarter than Scott Pioli. Harbaugh said that Kaepernick was his favorite QB in that draft.

That's done. The die has been cast there.

Like I said, Geno Smith is still the guy to go get, but you're still making a really shitty argument here. Harbaugh recognized an absurdly talented QB was available for him in the 2nd round and he aggressively moved to go get him. It was a great decision and it has made them contenders.

We should do the same. But that's the only real takeaway there is to bring from Keapernick ahead of Alex Smith. Colin Kaepernick is more talented than Alex Smith...duh, the end. He's more talented than all but about 5 guys in the leauge.

O.city · 02-24-2013, 11:17 PM

DJ makes strong points but I just can't get on board with it. At some point enough has to be enough you know.

**** me

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-24-2013, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Because they were a shitload smarter than Scott *****. Harbaugh said that Kaepernick was his favorite QB in that draft.

That's done. The die has been cast there.

Like I said, Geno Smith is still the guy to go get, but you're still making a really shitty argument here. Harbaugh recognized an absurdly talented QB was available for him in the 2nd round and he aggressively moved to go get him. It was a great decision and it has made them contenders.

We should do the same. But that's the only real takeaway there is to bring from Keapernick ahead of Alex Smith. Colin Kaepernick is more talented than Alex Smith...duh, the end. He's more talented than all but about 5 guys in the leauge.

If Alex Smith was so damned good, why did he crawl back to the 49ers after taking them to the NFCCG because no other team would offer him a starting QB's contract and after the 49ers flirted with Manning so publicly?

This isn't just about the 49ers, it's about the market. The market spoke to Alex Smith, and they told him to **** off.

Even if Kaepernick is Christ reincarnate, I'm pretty damned sure there aren't 32 of him.

Harbaugh made a bold move by moving up for Kaepernick. It's obvious he liked him, and didn't like Smith, but he obviously didn't like him enough last offseason to fully commit to him, because they went hard after Manning and when they didn't sign him they offered Smith a contract. He also got really ****ing lucky by Kaepernick ending up being far better far sooner than what he expected.

**DeezNutz** · 02-24-2013, 11:20 PM

Spin it, massage it, tweak it all you want. The Chiefs would be acquiring a descending player to be their starter. That's a fact.

O.city · 02-24-2013, 11:27 PM

Again, **** me

DJ's left nut · 02-24-2013, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Spin it, massage it, tweak it all you want. The Chiefs would be acquiring a descending player to be their starter. That's a fact.

Oh bullshit.

He's 29 when the season starts. QBs maintain their peak levels through about 33 so that's about 5 years of Smith being as good as he's going to be.

He's not descending, he just is what he is.

The problem with Matt Cassel was not that he was 'old', it was that he was shitty. Alex Smith, over his last 40 games as a starter in this league, has been at worst an adequate NFL quarterback. There's no reason to believe that his next 5 seasons in this league will be any different.

You're not making any sense at all.

Direckshun · 02-24-2013, 11:30 PM

I am dying on the inside.

O.city · 02-24-2013, 11:31 PM

Well I'm tired of settling for "he is what he is"

RunKC · 02-24-2013, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

DJ makes strong points but I just can't get on board with it. At some point enough has to be enough you know.

**** me

What if they draft a developmental QB at 34 and the plan is to start him in a year or two?

That doesn't sound like such a bad idea IMO.

Rasputin · 02-24-2013, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Oh bullshit.

He's 29 when the season starts. QBs maintain their peak levels through about 33 so that's about 5 years of Smith being as good as he's going to be.

He's not descending, he just is what he is.

The problem with Matt Cassel was not that he was 'old', it was that he was shitty. Alex Smith, over his last 40 games as a starter in this league, has been at worst an adequate NFL quarterback. There's no reason to believe that his next 5 seasons in this league will be any different.

You're not making any sense at all.

Oh bull shit he is too descending and who knows how he is going respond getting hit after he had a concussion? There is no reason to believe that his next 5 seasons in the league will be other than just shit.

Hootie · 02-24-2013, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Oh bull shit he is too descending and who knows how he is going respond getting hit after he had a concussion? There is no reason to believe that his next 5 seasons in the league will be other than just shit.

jesus

DJ's left nut · 02-24-2013, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If Alex Smith was so damned good, why did he crawl back to the 49ers after taking them to the NFCCG because no other team would offer him a starting QB's contract and after the 49ers flirted with Manning so publicly?

This isn't just about the 49ers, it's about the market. The market spoke to Alex Smith, and they told him to **** off.

Even if Kaepernick is Christ reincarnate, I'm pretty damned sure there aren't 32 of him.

Harbaugh made a bold move by moving up for Kaepernick. It's obvious he liked him, and didn't like Smith, but he obviously didn't like him enough last offseason to fully commit to him, because they went hard after Manning and when they didn't sign him they offered Smith a contract. He also got really ****ing lucky by Kaepernick ending up being far better far sooner than what he expected.

Mother****. Are any of you capable of reading words for what they ****ing say?

Who the hell said anything about Alex Smith being "so damn good"? He's adequate. The end. Did I say he was a ****ing star? No, no I did not. I said that if you take his 2 years under a dipshit of a coach and improve them by 10% due to being trained by a very smart QB guy, he can be an 88 rated passer which is passable

What is inaccurate about that? Why is it beyond the realm of possibility that a 25 yr old kid with an idiot head coach has actually improved? And that with even marginal improvement, he's now an adequate NFL quarterback?

Not "so damn good". Not "more talented than one of the 5 most physically gifted QBs in the league", but ****ing competent - nothing more, nothing less.

Jesus - ****ing read and when you're done reading, address the statements actually raised and not the argument you keep wanting to have - that evidently some of us believe that Alex Smith is a 14 game winning, SB caliber QB that will raise the level of his teammates and ****ing cure cancer.

Y'know what - never****ingmind. I know why Dane lost his shit - none of you people bother paying attention to anything. You know what you know and by God, that's all there is to it. If someone dares suggest that someone is merely average, you lunatics lose your goddamn minds.

Go back to calling a former first overall pick that took his team to within a fumbled punt of the Super Bowl Matt Goddamn Cassel. None of you are paying attention to anything anyone else has to say anyway.

Rudy tossed tigger's salad · 02-24-2013, 11:34 PM

6 wins per year

'Hamas' Jenkins · 02-24-2013, 11:35 PM

Alex Smith played six games a year against one of of the worst divisions in NFL history for much of his career and, by your own admission, never registered above adequate.

Look how the Panthers made Quinn look this year. Smith got that six times per year. He also had tremendous offensive lines in 2010 and 2011, and to be honest, he's always had decent to very good defenses. He's always had Frank Gore as a security blanket, and, recently, an emerging group of receivers.

FloridaMan88 · 02-24-2013, 11:37 PM

We've already seen the Alex Smith in KC story... it looks a lot like:

View Poll Results: What will be your expectations for the Alex Smith-led 2013 Kansas City Chiefs?
A minimum of two playoff wins.	19	12.75%
A minimum of one playoff win.	19	12.75%
Just making the playoffs.	30	20.13%
At least 8-8.	33	22.15%
No expectations, because I'm a true fan.	13	8.72%
No expectations, because I will be done with this franchise.	35	23.49%
Voters: 149. You may not vote on this poll

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $8019572	Alex Smith played six games a year against one of of the worst divisions in NFL history for much of his career and, by your own admission, never registered above adequate. Look how the Panthers made Quinn look this year. Smith got that six times per year. He also had tremendous offensive lines in 2010 and 2011, and to be honest, he's always had decent to very good defenses. He's always had Frank Gore as a security blanket, and, recently, an emerging group of receivers. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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