Football College athletes on their way to a union.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 03-26-2014, 01:02 PM

Wow RT @CEmmaScout: @CAPAssociation wins its case at the NLRB. College athletes on their way to a union.
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BlackHelicopters · 03-26-2014, 01:03 PM

Slippery slope.

WhiteWhale · 03-26-2014, 01:04 PM

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Slippery slope.

logical fallacy

lawrenceRaider · 03-26-2014, 01:10 PM

So aren't college athletics already your basic labor conglomerate? The revenue sports, football mostly, basketball depending on school, basically fund the other sports that few people follow or pay to watch. Do these people realize they are about to further destroy college sports outside of football/basketball? Maybe baseball sticks around?

How will this work with Title IX?

Garcia Bronco · 03-26-2014, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

So aren't college athletics already your basic labor conglomerate? The revenue sports, football mostly, basketball depending on school, basically fund the other sports that few people follow or pay to watch. Do these people realize they are about to further destroy college sports outside of football/basketball? Maybe baseball sticks around?

How will this work with Title IX?

who knows? If they unionize as employees of the school, it becomes unclear how they would be students or how title 9 would apply at that point.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

who knows? If they unionize as employees of the school, it becomes unclear how they would be students or how title 9 would apply at that point.

You can be both a student and an employee, lots of students work part-time at a school.

htismaqe · 03-26-2014, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

You can be both a student and an employee, lots of students work part-time at a school.

I would imagine at some point though, that would cause Title IX to die.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I would imagine at some point though, that would cause Title IX to die.

Not really. I'm guessing Title IX will limit how much the football players can get, by forcing them to share the wealth. Labor laws do not necessarily conflict with title IX, we'll probably just reach a situation where the football and basketball players are told that they can't carve their sports out, that they also have to let all the other athletes into their union.

It would still be a win for them, even if you have to pay all the women and olympic athletes an equal share, its still a lot more than what they get now.

Garcia Bronco · 03-26-2014, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by alnorth

You can be both a student and an employee, lots of students work part-time at a school.

Right ...but your Union status and your admission status are exclusive to each other at this time.

Also...I think that'll they'll have to be students to play there...and then why would you give them a scholarship? They'll just end-up paying that money back to the University. And Athletes can cost way more to house than a normal student.

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Right ...but your Union status and your admission status are exclusive to each other at this time.

Also...I think that'll they'll have to be students to play there...and then why would you give them a scholarship? They'll just end-up paying that money back to the University. And Athletes can cost way more to house than a normal student.

If your eligibility to work requires that you be a student in good standing in the school, thats fine. The union will probably require that student-athletes be expelled (and therefore fired) only for cause and have some kind of appeal process for that. Students at most schools can appeal expulsions now anyway.

Discuss Thrower · 03-26-2014, 01:15 PM

Please don't tell me a player can sue a college for expelling them from school for unionizing.

**RealSNR** · 03-26-2014, 01:15 PM

Xanathol · 03-26-2014, 01:23 PM

More proof that all it takes is a few dumbasses to ruin something good for everyone. Notice too that it's always the teams / players that really don't matter that do the complaining... I mean, Northwestern? Really?!?

**alnorth** · 03-26-2014, 01:32 PM

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More proof that all it takes is a few dumbasses to ruin something good for everyone. Notice too that it's always the teams / players that really don't matter that do the complaining... I mean, Northwestern? Really?!?

Well, they are probably correct. If we want college athletes to toil away as low-paid serfs, then we have several federal labor laws we need to change.

lawrenceRaider · 03-26-2014, 01:51 PM

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Well, they are probably correct. If we want college athletes to toil away as low-paid serfs, then we have several federal labor laws we need to change.

Right, they are serfs. Serfs had no chance for improvement. College athletes are much more equivalent to apprentices, and are learning valuable life lessons, plus get personalized training in their sport. Go price out the cost of a full time personal trainer and get back to us. Add in room/board/tuition/books, and a future that has considerably more earning potential simply from getting a degree.

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