The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively DONE

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The 49ers have expressed to others that a deal for QB Alex Smith is effectively complete. Can't be finalized til league year begins 3/12


Jason La Canfora ‏@JasonLaCanfora

so it's not official, both clubs view it at as it's effectively done. I do not know the other team. KC and JAX are 2 teams that make sense

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

I'm actually an advocate of MORE risk, not less.

I say try to trade down and see if you can still get Geno.

Peeps on here don't like that one either.

Because trading down is not possible. Again, who is going to pay the price to move up into the top spot, and who are they moving up for? Want an OT? You can probably move into No. 4 and be assured of getting at LEAST Fisher and possibly Joeckel at that spot, and the cost is much lower. Want a DT? There are tons of guys who grade out similarly. There's not a WR that will attract a trade up. There's not a RB, either.

And also because trading down relinquishes the power of getting YOUR guy.

If you're Andy Reid and you're convinced Geno Smith or Matt Barkley can give you what Donovan McNabb gave you for 10 years or more, is it worth risking that to move down and pick up an extra second round pick this year and a first round pick of unknown value NEXT year?

There are so many teams with QB needs - Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia in the top 5, throw in Arizona, Buffalo and New York Jets in the top 10 - that you could see TWO guys go between your original slot and your new, trade-down slot.

Trading down just isn't on the table.

[TribalElder]

Derp dee Derp Derp

Geno is the pick get used to the idea. Trying to be clever and trade down is fail. Stop it

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

I'm actually an advocate of MORE risk, not less.

I say try to trade down and see if you can still get Geno.

Peeps on here don't like that one either.

I know you want to trade down, but who is the partner in the trade? This will be just like 2009, where it came out that we desperately wanted out of the #3 pick, but guess what? No one was calling, then we drafted Tyson ****ing Jackson.

No one will want to trade up into this pick either, so do we take some fattie that we don't remotely need right now? Do we "reach" for Milliner? Or do we take a chance on a QB?

We won't be tied to Geno for 5+ years with a massive contract if he doesn't work out. He'll get a 3 year grace period and we will move on with the way the rookie contracts work now.

[melbar]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Despite my seeming insanity, this is QUITE relevant to my position on the topic.

Is Geno perfect? No. But there isn't ANYBODY in this draft that is.

Exactly! Geno has more chance to help us in a much larger way than anyone else out there. If Julius Peppers was out there you have a dilemma, but he ain't!

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

I think he makes it past Jax (been burned) and Oak (have Palmer...maybe...and not really Reggies style).....you may be right about Arizona tho. They in particular may look at him as an answer to Kaep and Wilson.

So who do we trade down with and not run a massive risk of not getting the opportunity to draft Geno?

Why not just sit at 1.1 and take Geno?

[Chiefs=Champions]

Marvin seems to be avoiding my question on if hes seen Geno play. im guessing he hasnt.

[Marvin49]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

So you think we should aim for another brady? Is that what you are saying?

Who said anything about Brady?

I'm talking about moving DOWN in the draft to get the guy you want and getting more picks as opposed to taking him were your pick is.

In the best draft the 49ers ever had they traded out of the first out altogether. They still ended up with Tom Rathman, Charles Haley, John Taylor, and several others.

Sometimes its trading UP like Walsh did to go get Jerry Rice.

All I'm saying is DON'T REACH. Move back for more picks or move up for a guy you really want.

Dallas did that to built their dynasty with Jimmy Johnson and the Pats did it more recently to not only get to the topbu STAY THERE.

Again...not saying "don't take Geno". I'm saying he may not be the best pick at #1. Trading that pick is probably the best option. There is no magic bullet. One thing I know from watching Alex....putting HUGE pressure on a kid as the savior tends to make them crumble.

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

Who said anything about Brady?

I'm talking about moving DOWN in the draft to get the guy you want and getting more picks as opposed to taking him were your pick is.

In the best draft the 49ers ever had they traded out of the first out altogether. They still ended up with Tom Rathman, Charles Haley, John Taylor, and several others.

Sometimes its trading UP like Walsh did to go get Jerry Rice.

All I'm saying is DON'T REACH. Move back for more picks or move up for a guy you really want.

Dallas did that to built their dynasty with Jimmy Johnson and the Pats did it more recently to not only get to the topbu STAY THERE.

Again...not saying "don't take Geno". I'm saying he may not be the best pick at #1. Trading that pick is probably the best option. There is no magic bullet. One thing I know from watching Alex....putting HUGE pressure on a kid as the savior tends to make them crumble.

What do those 2 teams have in common?

[BigChiefFan]

Geno is the 1st player taken in the draft. Move down, lose Geno. Pretty simple.

[Marvin49]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

Marvin seems to be avoiding my question on if hes seen Geno play. im guessing he hasnt.

Actually I didn't see you ask that.

Yes I have.

Reminds me of a cross between Alex Smith and Vince Young. I mean that as a compliment BTW...has no bearing on their pro careers.

I didn't think Alex or Vince were worthy of high picks either.

[KC_Lee]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

All I'm saying is DON'T REACH. Move back for more picks or move up for a guy you really want.

Considering the rookie wage scale in place in the NFL these day please define reach.

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Somewhere a isn't getting stabbed.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Im done guys. You cant fix stupid.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

Who said anything about Brady?

I'm talking about moving DOWN in the draft to get the guy you want and getting more picks as opposed to taking him were your pick is.

In the best draft the 49ers ever had they traded out of the first out altogether. They still ended up with Tom Rathman, Charles Haley, John Taylor, and several others.

Sometimes its trading UP like Walsh did to go get Jerry Rice.

All I'm saying is DON'T REACH. Move back for more picks or move up for a guy you really want.

Dallas did that to built their dynasty with Jimmy Johnson and the Pats did it more recently to not only get to the topbu STAY THERE.

Again...not saying "don't take Geno". I'm saying he may not be the best pick at #1. Trading that pick is probably the best option. There is no magic bullet. One thing I know from watching Alex....putting HUGE pressure on a kid as the savior tends to make them crumble.

It's not logical to suggest the Chiefs can move back. Just stop, or come up with a scenario that makes sense and talk about it.

[Chiefs=Champions]

Originally Posted by Marvin49

Actually I didn't see you ask that.

Yes I have.

Reminds me of a cross between Alex Smith and Vince Young. I mean that as a compliment BTW...has no bearing on their pro careers.

I didn't think Alex or Vince were worthy of high picks either.

Vince young!!? Im hoping u arnt a racist too..