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Old 10-25-2021, 03:19 PM  
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Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction

Time to panic about Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs? Separating fact from fiction, who's to blame and what's next
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A wildly frustrating start to the Kansas City Chiefs' 2021 season turned ugly on Sunday. The defending AFC champs were outscored 27-0 in the first half by the Tennessee Titans. Mike Vrabel's team took its foot off the gas and didn't score in the second half, but the Chiefs could muster only a lone field goal in what was the worst offensive performance of the Patrick Mahomes era. If that wasn't bad enough, Mahomes was injured in the fourth quarter and had to leave the game. The only good news from the defeat is that Mahomes passed the concussion protocol.

At 3-4, the Chiefs have as many losses through seven weeks as they've had through any full season since Mahomes took over as their starter in 2018. With losses to the Bills, Chargers, Ravens and Titans, they have lost tiebreakers to many of the teams they would expect to compete against in the postseason. They're a tiebreaker away from last place in the AFC West, a division they were overwhelmingly expected to win for the sixth consecutive season. If this were a video game, the Chiefs would frantically be pressing the reset button.

Let's take a closer look at the Chiefs, and I'll do my best to break down what is factual and fictional about this start to the season. I'll begin with one of the biggest reasons they were manhandled in Week 7:

Fact: The Chiefs are turning the ball over way too often
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Fiction: The offense is a problem
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Fact: Teams are playing two-high coverages against the Chiefs far more frequently
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Fact: The Chiefs haven't been as explosive as in years past
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Fiction: The Chiefs fixed their offensive line over the offseason
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Fact: The defense has been a major, major problem
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Fiction: The defense is not one player or one change away
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Fact: Years of questionable drafts have left the Chiefs without great depth
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Fiction: The Chiefs' Super Bowl hopes are out the window
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Old 10-25-2021, 04:52 PM   #31
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Sure, but Clark and Mathieus locker room issues won't just go away. I don't know if Reid will snap out of this until he gets closure on Britt. We should try to keep winning but I just think there are locker room issues that can be easily fixed but realistically not this year.
With proper leadership it's absolutely doable.

Foot needs to be applied to ass. We'll see if our leadership has the balls to make hard calls. They haven't really so far.
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Old 10-25-2021, 04:53 PM   #32
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In other words Veach has been doing a shit job and Andy doesn't know how to prepare a team to come out ready. Team comes out flat. We have seen that over and over again.
Of maybe all the stars aligned in the wrong direction and we are having an off year. I get that Reid isn't a perfect coach. But cmon, we all know this is very very uncharacteristic of an Andy Reid team. Just because he's a nice guy doesn't mean his team is unprepared. He has a stellar record in September, after bye weeks, in the final weeks of the season. That's a testament to how damn good Reid is at preparing his team. We haven't seen this over and over again. This is very unusual for Reid.
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Old 10-25-2021, 05:02 PM   #34
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With proper leadership it's absolutely doable.

Foot needs to be applied to ass. We'll see if our leadership has the balls to make hard calls. They haven't really so far.
But that starts with Andy Reid and most people wonder if he's really himself these days. Mathieu is a key voice in the locker room and I doubt he changes his attitude unless he gets a new contract. And as long as the defense keeps doing this, you're asking a lot of the offense to overcome all this.

The best hope is that spags pulls his head out of his ass or he gets replaced. Because the other piece is the defense looks like they have no faith in the scheme. I just feel like those locker room issues above are tough to overcome.
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But that starts with Andy Reid and most people wonder if he's really himself these days. Mathieu is a key voice in the locker room and I doubt he changes his attitude unless he gets a new contract. And as long as the defense keeps doing this, you're asking a lot of the offense to overcome all this.

The best hope is that spags pulls his head out of his ass or he gets replaced. Because the other piece is the defense looks like they have no faith in the scheme. I just feel like those locker room issues above are tough to overcome.
It's going to take a change with the guys already there. We know nobody is getting cut or fired (even though that's what the Pats would do and was a big reason they lasted so long).
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Old 10-25-2021, 05:18 PM   #36
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It's going to take a change with the guys already there. We know nobody is getting cut or fired (even though that's what the Pats would do and was a big reason they lasted so long).
Hope so. The good news is there's lots of room for optimism that the locker room culture improves dramatically next year. Clark is as good as gone. Mathieu is either gone or content with a new contract. Hopefully closure over Britt Reid happens quickly much as Andy I'm sure wants to put this off.

It's either one of those magical turnaround seasons where we climb from adversity. We've seen it before. Bradys done it twice after the Chiefs humiliated him in NE and Tampa. It just feels like the Murphys law season we just need to get over. Maybe just get all this bad juju out of our system.
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Old 10-25-2021, 05:18 PM   #37
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We won a superbowl 2 years ago if we suck this year WGAF! This team not even close to being the most sorry Chiefs i have seen.
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of the list of problems...Patrick is the least of my worries. Not concerned at all because he probably wouldn't be pressing as much if literally every other phase/group on the team would pull their weight at an average performance level.

media just stirring up shit like they always do.

I'd be more concerned (if I were a media slob writing a piece) about Hughes and Reed standing by watching Henry run by them; and Jones for that matter.
That doesn't speak to lack of talent....that speaks to lack of effort and 'want to'.

that shit spreads like a disease on a team.
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Fact: If the Chiefs can develop a credible run game, things will open back up.
The Chiefs aren't going to keep running the ball if they go down 3 scores. Which is what happened yesterday.

Everyone thinking there's this one-thing the Chiefs have to do to fix everything is just...not accurate.

They're failing in all phases of the game at different times of the game. Right now, they have nothing that works consistently every single week.
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Fact: If the Chiefs can develop a credible run game, things will open back up.
I think it's tied to the quick, short passing game.

I don't want to suck off Brady too much, but the short game is a huge reason they guy is still producing at a high level.
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Fact: Brett Veach is a moron

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for Patrick Mahomes

Fact: John Dorsey would be an immediate upgrade over Brett Veach

Fiction: Brett Veach is responsible for us winning the Super Bowl

Fact: John Dorsey is more responsible for the Super Bowl victory than Brett Veach

Fiction: This team will win another Super Bowl with Brett Veach as GM
Fact: We wouldn’t have a SB without Brett Veach
Fact: We wouldn’t have Patrick Mahomes without Brett Veach
Fact: You’re talking out of the side of your ass
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Fact: We wouldn’t have a SB without Brett Veach
Fact: We wouldn’t have Patrick Mahomes without Brett Veac
Fact: You’re talking out of the side of your ass


Please tell me you don't believe this nonsense.
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When we lost to them in 17' I mentally checked out.

It was a full wind-up kick to the balls.
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