Which QB is better: Dak Prescott or Lamar Jackson?

[Deberg_1990]

Was just talking about this with coworkers.

Most agreed Dak overall was better. Both will be looking to get paid soon.

Who’s the better QB?

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

I mean, we know how it ends more often than not, but some teams have been able to get hot and lucky at the right time. Eli Manning won a couple chips, Flacco got one. Rex Grossman, Jared Goff, Matt Ryan, and Cam Newton have all gotten to the big game in the last 15 years. Tannehill took the Titans to a Championship game, as did Mark Sanchez (twice, if I remember correctly).

You really never know..

Jimmy Grapes, Nick Foles, etc

[Pitt Gorilla]

I'm not paying either to be my franchise guy. Of course, that's true for all but a few in the NFL right now.

[TEX]

Dak is better IMO because he can run different types of offenses. Jackson can only run what he's in now. He's very limited on what he can do, but he is very good at what he can do.

[RunKC]

It also explains Andy trading for Alex and sticking with him for so long. There wasn’t jack shit at QB from 2013 through 2016.

None of those QB’s were as good as Alex which said a lot

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Yeah if you don’t have the first pick in the draft, your odds drop considerably for getting a QB. How many QB’s have been drafted recently after the top pick are guys that can carry teams?

Wilson, Mahomes, Watson....?

Those guys just rarely come around man. I’d pay Dak on a short deal while I’m looking for the new QB.

But then again a problem as big as Dak is the coach. No idea why these guys choose fossils like McCarthy.

Goff and Jimmy G made it based on excellent talent and coaching so Dak can too.

Best QBs in the NFL weren't Top 5 draft picks.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by RunKC

It also explains Andy trading for Alex and sticking with him for so long. There wasn’t jack shit at QB from 2013 through 2016.

None of those QB’s were as good as Alex which said a lot

It's true. It's also why it was so infuriating that Chief Fan was screaming for the Chiefs to draft someone, anyone as a first round QB. Andy was waiting until he found a Mahomes.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hell, we were selling out our stadium for decades with retread QBs. The Browns and Raiders have been in the pits for 20 years now and those fans still show up every Sunday, buying merch and $12 beers and shit.

The last 5+ years at the old Coliseum in Oakland wasn't selling out. They had to tarp off the upper deck. No one wants to see crap on the field overtime and that's what the Raiders were. Hell even Chiefs fans didn't like showing up and watching the QB that I can't mention. Vegas will be a different story.

And Paying $12 for a beer is ridiculous. How much do they charge at Chiefs games?

[Megatron96]

Who's better right this minute? Dak, no question.

Thing is, Dak has peaked. This is Dak, for better or worse, you're getting exactly what you see here.

Lamar is still at least 50% potential. He could become a better pocket passer. He could learn to read defenses pre- and post-snap. He could learn to manipulate defenses.

Basically outside of his running ability, Lamar is a clean slate, with an enormous amount of potential, and not a lot of downside.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Who's better right this minute? Dak, no question.

Thing is, Dak has peaked. This is Dak, for better or worse, you're getting exactly what you see here.

Lamar is still at least 50% potential. He could become a better pocket passer. He could learn to read defenses pre- and post-snap. He could learn to manipulate defenses.

Basically outside of his running ability, Lamar is a clean slate, with an enormous amount of potential, and not a lot of downside.

He could but it is year 3 and it doesn't look like he has improved any. Lamar is one hit away from being irrelevant.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Basically outside of his running ability, Lamar is a clean slate, with an enormous amount of potential, and not a lot of downside.

Lamar can't read a defense and can't throw outside the lines. His accuracy, especially 10+ yards, is awful and opposing defenses will continue to follow the Chiefs and Titans blueprint.

And while some teams don't have the defensive weapons or defensive coordinators bright enough to stop him, there are two teams in his division, the Steelers and Browns, that can definitely shut him down.

If Lamar can't read defenses, can't quickly process the defensive alignment, check out of bad plays and improve his accuracy, all of which were questioned before the 2018 draft, he's already hit his ceiling.

So far, I haven't seen him do any of the above.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Lamar can't read a defense and can't throw outside the lines. His accuracy, especially 10+ yards, is awful and opposing defenses will continue to follow the Chiefs and Titans blueprint.

And while some teams don't have the defensive weapons or defensive coordinators bright enough to stop him, there are two teams in his division, the Steelers and Browns, that can definitely shut him down.

If Lamar can't read defenses, can't quickly process the defensive alignment, check out of bad plays and improve his accuracy, all of which were questioned before the 2018 draft, he's already hit his ceiling.

So far, I haven't seen him do any of the above.

Yep. But that's still an "if" or two in there. The point is we don't actually know he's peaked. With Dak we know.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Yep. But that's still an "if" or two in there. The point is we don't actually know he's peaked. With Dak we know.

How much more evidence do you need? It's not like Lamar can take "Smart Pills" in the off season to suddenly understand how to read defenses or check out of plays.

Most likely, Dak has reached his ceiling and if the Cowboys could play defense, they'd be 3-0 right now.

IMO, Dak is pretty much the same guy as Matt Ryan, except that unlike Ryan, Dak is mobile and can use his wheels to make plays, so if the Falcons can make it to the Super Bowl, I don't see any reason why Dak and Cowboys can't make it.

If the Cowboys can't figure out their defensive issues in the next few seasons, their current Super Bowl window will be closed and they'll be looking at a full on rebuild because their offensive line isn't getting any younger and without that protection, Dak turns into a pumpkin.

[treeguy27]

If I'm a GM I'd want Dak. Lamar is always going to be one hit away from being out for the season with his playing style.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How much more evidence do you need? It's not like Lamar can take "Smart Pills" in the off season to suddenly understand how to read defenses or check out of plays.

Most likely, Dak has reached his ceiling and if the Cowboys could play defense, they'd be 3-0 right now.

IMO, Dak is pretty much the same guy as Matt Ryan, except that unlike Ryan, Dak is mobile and can use his wheels to make plays, so if the Falcons can make it to the Super Bowl, I don't see any reason why Dak and Cowboys can't make it.

If the Cowboys can't figure out their defensive issues in the next few seasons, their current Super Bowl window will be closed and they'll be looking at a full on rebuild because their offensive line isn't getting any younger and without that protection, Dak turns into a pumpkin.

History is littered with 'running' QBs that eventually learned to read a defense. Cunningham eventually got better at it, so did Vick. Of course, plenty of them didn't as well.

But let's say Lamar doesn't get much better at the cerebral part of being a QB. He still owns the best record for a QB against the league, unless he plays the Chiefs. That means going to the playoffs nearly every season.

When's the last time Dak got into the post-season? How many consecutive seasons?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

How much more evidence do you need? It's not like Lamar can take "Smart Pills" in the off season to suddenly understand how to read defenses or check out of plays.

Most likely, Dak has reached his ceiling and if the Cowboys could play defense, they'd be 3-0 right now.

IMO, Dak is pretty much the same guy as Matt Ryan, except that unlike Ryan, Dak is mobile and can use his wheels to make plays, so if the Falcons can make it to the Super Bowl, I don't see any reason why Dak and Cowboys can't make it.

If the Cowboys can't figure out their defensive issues in the next few seasons, their current Super Bowl window will be closed and they'll be looking at a full on rebuild because their offensive line isn't getting any younger and without that protection, Dak turns into a pumpkin.

There is no guarantee Dak will be with the Cowboys next year either. I think it is going to be hard to sign him to a long term deal if they couldn't get it done this past offseason and his tag number is almost $38 million.