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Tiger | 6 | 4.48% | |
Jordan | 34 | 25.37% | |
Michael Phelps | 8 | 5.97% | |
Federer | 0 | 0% | |
Mahomes | 35 | 26.12% | |
Some female (name) | 0 | 0% | |
Some other male (name) | 45 | 33.58% | |
TRUMP! | 6 | 4.48% | |
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04-15-2019, 11:24 PM | #136 | |
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THEN OBVIOUSLY NEVER SAW CHAMBERLAIN PLAY! Wilt's team was centered around him, he had to score because he didn't have the better players around him as Russell did, who only had to play D, just get inside Wilts's head. Russell had the better players around him, reason for the championships. Arguing that Russell was the better player than Wilt is foolish. Russell was great, he played great D and rebounded. He was never called upon to help his team win. To say Russell was better, he didn't play against Wilt's team each night to solidify your argument. Wilt was, he was a more complete player. Below is the stats to compare the two Hall of Fame players. Russell Career Games * Pts ** TRb's * Assist ** FG % ** FT% ** PER *** WS *963 **15.1****22.5 *** 4.3 **44.0 ** 56.1 ***18.9 **163.5 Chamberlin Career Games * Pts ** TRb's * Assist ** FG % ** FT% ** PER *** WS 1045 **30.1****22.9 *** 4.4 **54.0 ** 51.1 ***26.1 **247.3 Wilt played 82 more games, the equivalent of 1 season Wilt scored more points per game, twice as many. Wilt had more rebounds, call this a push! Wilt had more assist,call this a push! Wilt shot 10% higher per game than Russell Russell shot 5% higher on FT's-Somewhere,somebody bitching about FT's Wilt had a higher PER by 7%, ****Player Efficiency Rating **** Wilt had a higher WS by 83.8, ***** Win Shares ***** And some of you clowns want to argue who was the better overall player. Both players were Great rebounder's and played defense. Blocked shots were not kept early in there careers, but that would have been an awesome number for both. Chamberlain was the more dominate player and it shows in these stats. The ultimate separation between the 2 was the PER and the WS. The career head to head stats would Wilt with the advantage if you want take the time to look them up. Russell won more titles due to the players around him, NOT because he was the more dominate player night in/night out! Think about this, you want to argue Russell was better because of Titles? Larry Bird won 12 titles with the Celtics Magic Johnson ( 4 ) Lebron James ( 3 ) Michael Jordan( 6 ) It basically takes these 3 players to equal the talent of Larry Bird ? Now come on, it's about titles, titles,and more titles! Right ? No. You can not, you just can not always use the number of titles won as a gauge on who was the more dominate player in a sport I have shown you above. You simply can not, maybe sometimes,yes,but not always!
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04-15-2019, 11:27 PM | #137 | |
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What basis is it that Wilt held his team back? Its conjecture on your part because you can't reasonably assail the stats in any other meaningful way. I mean, this was a charge levied at him while he played. He responded that he did what the team needed him to do. If they needed him to pass the ball, he would have done that, but that is not what was asked of him. When he got challenged, he led the League in assists to show the fact he could do that too. When team's played Wilt's team, the team defended to limit Wilt. You couldn't do that to the Celtic teams. Then he gets criticized for "not showing up" instead of the other team successfully challenging the rest of the team to beat them. But, somehow its Wilt's fault? He was selfish and just "padding stats" because there's never been another "stat padder" in history. Anybody could have streaks of 40, 50 and 60 point nights, they just don't out of deference to the team? I don't even understand how the makes sense to people. If we had lots of tape on Chamberlain and you could really go through it and showcase his "selfishness", then it might have some teeth. But we don't have that, so that write it off to "stat padding". "He really only should have got 92 that night, that last 8 points was stat padding." How does that not sound ridiculous? Like the 92 is something other players who stat pad do regularly as well.
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04-15-2019, 11:29 PM | #138 | |
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Russell also has more MVPs than Wilt (5 to 4). You fantasy football lovers think everything is about stats. It isn't. Bill Russell > Wilt |
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04-15-2019, 11:32 PM | #139 | |
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Chamberlain was named All NBA First Team 7 times. Russell was named to it 3 times. I would say that is a better individual marker.
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Doubtful. There literally isn't a single aspect of the game of basketball that LeBron wasn't better than MJ at. He was an incredible physical force with the greatest basketball IQ the sport has ever seen.
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04-15-2019, 11:44 PM | #144 |
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I'd like to point out that Wilt and Russell played each other head to head in several championship series'.
Russell won more games and Wilt dominated the stat sheet. I mean head to head Wilt held Russell under 40% and outrebounded him. Does anyone REALLY think the Celtics would have been a worse team with Wilt? Really? |
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04-15-2019, 11:45 PM | #145 | |
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Wilt did that just to prove he could if he wanted. |
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04-15-2019, 11:46 PM | #146 | |
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Is Bron a better free throw shooter than MJ? I can't think of any way this is true on defense. I mean you can't even make those arguments at all. |
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Right, just like anyone could.
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Old enough to have watched both of them play at their peaks. It isn't diminishing MJ to say that LeBron has had the better career. He simply has and that's only going to become even more obvious as he goes on to shatter his records due to his sheer longevity.
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How many scoring titles and first team all-defensive honors does Lebron have?
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04-15-2019, 11:51 PM | #150 |
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Wilt was flat filthy. If you look at pictures and the Little bit of film from the era he’s definitely not human. Got to be some sort of alien.
I think you have to throw in those idiot strongmen competition guys. That Thor abunchof****inglettersthatmakenosense dude that plays the mountain is the best one currently. Or that Magnus Samuelson dude that won it several times. The current guys are really pretty agile. A bunch of them are basketball players that bulked up and just have ridiculous power and explosion. I saw a video of I think it was Brian Shaw that got on one of those rowing machines with the fan and literally tore it apart. If you want to see insane athleticism look up Thor’s record breaking deadlift. His form isn’t even that good. He’s just ridiculous. Jordan has to be on the list. It’s not sheer athleticism like wilt or whoever but what he did athletically within the confines of his game is special. I honestly don’t think I could pick. |
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