***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

More holes in the Ivermectin story: multiple studies that "contain impossible numbers in their results", the 2 most positive studies have been withdrawn and more to come, need for individual patient datahttps://t.co/CxowIJ3MJS @NatureMedicine pic.twitter.com/kG1PTLvbc2

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) September 22, 2021

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I'm not completely opposed to an antibody test being allowed in lieu of a vaccine. The issue I have with it is that there are tons of people claim they had COVID because they had the sniffles a year ago, and that's not anywhere near enough confirmation for me.

If you were officially tested the state should have record of it. The anti bodies test is not very helpful unless you get it soon after your infection.

Would be nice if we had additional testing for long term covid immunity other than a bone marrow test.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Antibodies wane pretty quickly. But memory cells remember how to crank them out again when needed. There's no good test for memory cells afaik.

Which is why it's very hard to make policy based on whether or not someone was sick with covid. It works on a personal level - if you know you had it and know your were sick. But it falls down hard on a policy level - since so many people will think they had it but didn't, and how do you define "sick"?

Well medical care use to be on a personal level. You know my body my choice kind of thing. There should be no policy or mandates. It should be up to the individual to weigh their risks and make their own personal choice.

[Eureka]

Originally Posted by TLO

There's really nothing new to talk about in here these days. Get vaccinated.. You'll be fine. Don't get vaccinated... Take your chances. /end

*bonus round*

Still not sold on boosters.

I had some heart issues after the 2nd Pfizer dose. I don't want to take a booster.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Eureka

I had some heart issues after the 2nd Pfizer dose. I don't want to take a booster.

Are you over 65 or at high risk for severe illness?

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Well medical care use to be on a personal level. You know my body my choice kind of thing. There should be no policy or mandates. It should be up to the individual to weigh their risks and make their own personal choice.

Smoking is a personal choice but have put laws into to place to protect others .

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Eureka

I had some heart issues after the 2nd Pfizer dose. I don't want to take a booster.

Didn’t your doctor think it was heartburn? Or was that someone else. If it is heartburn that isn’t a heart issue.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Eureka

I had some heart issues after the 2nd Pfizer dose. I don't want to take a booster.

I had some issues after the Johnson shot. Never had a problem before, and it started within day of getting poked.

Went away after months.

And no, it wasn’t ****ing heartburn.

My wife caught CovAIDS last week and it knocked her down pretty good. Never did she approach concern enough to take her to the hospital, but it’s the sickest I’ve seen her in 16 years.

She is talking about vaccines now.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by notorious

She is talking about vaccines now.

What's the point now? She already had it.

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by loochy

What's the point now? She already had it.

Improved immunity. Those with prior infection and then vaccination have better immunity than either alone.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider

Improved immunity. Those with prior infection and then vaccination have better immunity than either alone.

I guess...but it's like wearing a seat belt after you got in a car crash

[lawrenceRaider]

Originally Posted by loochy

I guess...but it's like wearing a seat belt after you got in a car crash

. . . in your new car.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by loochy

What's the point now? She already had it.

In the future.

She chose not to vax, and I did not judge or push her like others do, and now she is talking about it.

[notorious]

She is healthy, 40, and we’ve been wide open in western Kansas since May. It’s just like pre-Covid.

Even before that school was open, masks required. There has been a lot of social interaction and things are okay.

[Nirvana58]

Originally Posted by Monticore

Smoking is a personal choice but have put laws into to place to protect others .

The vaccinated can carry and spread the virus.