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Old 04-06-2021, 08:13 PM  
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To extend Tyrann or not to...
Tyrann posted something interesting today...

https://twitter.com/mathieu_era/stat...154661892?s=21

Tyrann

You cannot show me that I’m an option, I’ll show you I have others...

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That tweet can mean many things, but it could be correlated to his contract negotiations for an extension in KC that Veach has mentioned is a priority this offseason. It could be related to a relationship, family member, bowling league or wing eating contest.

It’s plausible that the tweet is a public response to the team not wanting to pay a massive AAV to re-sign Tyrann and using other free agent and draft options as reasons they don’t NEED to re-sign him (this is business, nothing more) to try to drive down the price.

Let’s talk about it...

Some pros of extending his contract:

Clears a nice chunk of cap space this offseason.
Keeps a leader in the locker room as well as in the secondary.
Continues to provide the defense with a guy that consistently takes the ball away.


Some cons to an extension for Tyrann:

Once he loses a step, he’s not going to be nearly as effective at his size, he’s already not a burner. He will still be good due to prep snd instincts, but will be beaten more once he loses a step.
Any extension would start after he turns 30. He’s currently signed through age 29 this year.
Judging from his last contract negotiation with us, he wants top of the market money. Most likely a 3 year extension. Something close to 3/48. If structured right, I’d extend him for 3 years...even at that price. The structure would need to give the team options if he falls off.
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Old 04-07-2021, 01:37 PM   #31
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I understand that I'm probably wrong about this (and I certainly HOPE I'm wrong about this), but I'd be a little leery about extending HB. I absolutely LOVE the guy and love how he plays, but I just can't imagine his body holding up for the duration of an extension. The guy is 5'9", maybe 200 lbs, has bad knees, and is approaching 30. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but that combination of factors scares me vis-a-vis giving him significant money/years.
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Old 04-07-2021, 01:43 PM   #32
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I understand that I'm probably wrong about this (and I certainly HOPE I'm wrong about this), but I'd be a little leery about extending HB. I absolutely LOVE the guy and love how he plays, but I just can't imagine his body holding up for the duration of an extension. The guy is 5'9", maybe 200 lbs, has bad knees, and is approaching 30. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but that combination of factors scares me vis-a-vis giving him significant money/years.

Eh, a 3 year extension would keep him pretty much in his prime throughout the end of the contract.

After 35 i would be cautious but there is plenty of evidence of safety’s playing very well past their mid thirties.


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Old 04-07-2021, 01:55 PM   #33
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I understand that I'm probably wrong about this (and I certainly HOPE I'm wrong about this), but I'd be a little leery about extending HB. I absolutely LOVE the guy and love how he plays, but I just can't imagine his body holding up for the duration of an extension. The guy is 5'9", maybe 200 lbs, has bad knees, and is approaching 30. Again, I hope I'm wrong, but that combination of factors scares me vis-a-vis giving him significant money/years.
I was going to post something similar to this this morning. But yes, i agree. And while unpopular, and i know speed isn't his game, it seemed to me like he may have slowed down a tad last season.

So while everyone was clamoring for an extension for him, i'd get it if the Chiefs cut bait before the decline.
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Old 04-07-2021, 01:59 PM   #34
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I was going to post something similar to this this morning. But yes, i agree. And while unpopular, and i know speed isn't his game, it seemed to me like he may have slowed down a tad last season.

So while everyone was clamoring for an extension for him, i'd get it if the Chiefs cut bait before the decline.
I agree as well. Don't get me wrong, I ****ing LOVE Matthieu.

But the guy is undersized and already has had some bad injuries.

I get it if they don't want to tie him up long term. It's a business after all.
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I'd tack 2 years onto his current deal and you'd have him for 3 more.
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He wants to be the highest paid safety and he damn well deserves it!!
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I would definitely extend him as he is the heart and soul of the defense. He also plays at a position with more longevity as that's where CBs that are not nearly as effective as they once were go before they hang it up. He is too valuable to this defense and actually still plays at an All Pro level.
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No.

Safeties are like the RB of the defense. They're often guys that are built like corners but play with the violence and physicality of a LB.

Their bodies are some of the first to tear down on a defense because they're small, relentless hitters. Almost all of your best safeties have short careers. The best ones throw their bodies around with complete disregard.

Think Eric Berry. Derwin James. Bob Sanders.

Even Tyrann has had his share of injuries.
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Safety is more important in the current NFL than corner.

You need to extend him.
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Forget about his play, his leadership is worth 15 mil alone. Also guess who leads the league in interceptions since the time Tyrann joined the Chiefs till now?? That’s right HB!!
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Forget about his play, his leadership is worth 15 mil alone. Also guess who leads the league in interceptions since the time Tyrann joined the Chiefs till now?? That’s right HB!!
His leadership is paramount for sure.
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I would definitely extend him as he is the heart and soul of the defense. He also plays at a position with more longevity as that's where CBs that are not nearly as effective as they once were go before they hang it up. He is too valuable to this defense and actually still plays at an All Pro level.
This all day and every day. Thankfully CP GMs don't pull any weight over at One Arrowhead Dr.
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If you have him play out the last year of his deal and let him walk, he’s sure to get a top end contract next year and might net us a third round comp pick the following draft if we don’t sign a bunch of free agents.

I’d completely understand it if Veach lets that play out or even trades him this offseason if he can get a second before the draft for him.
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