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2018 STL Cardinals Thread

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
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Matheny fired 07/14/2018




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Old 12-06-2018, 11:19 AM   #4231
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There's a fire sale going on in Seattle and they have an outfielder named Mitch Haniger with a possibility of needing a new DH, but I dont want to put any ideas in Cardinals heads.
It's obvious that Jose belongs in the AL. He's found money. We need to get the best deal possible and get him out of here.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:22 AM   #4232
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Does this guy know more than Nightengale and Langoush?



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Old 12-06-2018, 11:24 AM   #4233
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Langoush technically didn't say that they were for sure out on Harper either, just that he's not a target. So for all intents and purposes they sound pretty out on Harper unless his market drops, which it wont.

It's like the Cubs last season with Darvish. They weren't interested at all in Darvish when it was thought he was going to get 170ish million, but then the price started falling more and more and they started to comb their eyebrows.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:27 AM   #4234
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Conversely, the Cardinals do not have a clear super team in their way in the NL Central. The Cubs might have limited ability to improve this offseason, but the FanGraphs’ forecast has the Brewers regressing in 2019. The Cardinals entered Wednesday projected for four fewer wins than the Cubs, three more wins than the Pirates and six more wins than the Brewers. After the trade, the FanGraphs projection had the Cardinals picking up three wins to be just one game behind the Cubs and nine games better than the Brewers. (The Diamondbacks fell from 82 to 80 wins.) The Cardinals have been stuck in the standings purgatory — winning 88, 83 and 86 games the past three years — where no club wants to reside, but they could break that streak this year.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:27 AM   #4235
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But, you are the only person I've heard anywhere on the internet or boards that doesn't like this trade. EVERYONE. Doesnt that concern you on your position?


Almost everyone also says they shouldnt be done getting more offensive talent and that doesn't mean a bench player. If so, I'm joining you on the bandwagon.
It just makes me look forward to October all the more. This team's going to win between 88-90 games and be largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things while simultaneously getting older. And when the Cardinals either miss the playoffs or lose in the wild card game, we'll hear the same thing this October that we've heard for the last 5 Octobers and we'll meet back up in December to have the same debate we've had for the last 5 Decembers.

And I reiterate, look at what teams gave up for rentals lately. Anybody saying we 'stole' Goldschmidt isn't paying a damn bit of attention to the retuns on these guys. This isn't 1997. Owners are getting smarter. We have had multiple threats of collusion lawsuits because teams aren't willing to throw money at marginally better than replacement 'name' players like Moustakas and Holland.

These owners know more than ever that youth and cost control is what is serving championship teams. If you're fortunate enough to have a Mookie Betts on your team (the next 2b taken after we took Kolten Wong; Moe's 'floor ahead of ceiling model' strikes again) or Chris Sale (acquired with 4 years of control for Moncada, who we stayed out on because we needed 'dry powder' to go pursue Jonatan Machado 3 years later), then you can go sign a guy like JD Martinez to put you over the hump.

Goldschmidt doesn't do that. And in fact it's a signal to the rest of the league - at least those paying attention to anything the franchise has done since 2012 - that just getting TO the hump is good enough for DeWitt.

We didn't fleece the D-Backs. Again - the market bore what it bore and clearly the market for 1 year of a 31 year old right-handed 1b with 170 strikeouts last year wasn't all that amazing. Why this is a shock to anyone in the baseball community is beyond me.
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:31 AM   #4236
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Does this guy know more than Nightengale and Langoush?



It's just a radio guy giving information from Goold.

As for Goold...he's a sneaky one. I think he knows people and knows a lot of stuff. But he's also paid by the PD and the Cardinals reign them in a lot. Unfortunately I've gotten to a point where I don't really trust Goold anymore because for every nugget he'll drop, he'll hold something back (and then suggest he knew about it if/when that shoe drops).

When he came out after Saxon's piece on Fowler/Matheny last year and both criticized it and lamented the fact that he wasn't on it, you could see him speaking to both masters at once there. I think he was kinda trying to tell people he knew about it but also didn't want the PD to run afoul of the organization by actual acknowledging it to be true.

I wish I could trust him - but I don't.
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:13 PM   #4237
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Nathan Eovaldi just got $67.5 million over 4 years and he's had exactly one good season in an 8 year career.

Y'all are really going to say that Weaver has no value in this environment? Dudes a former 1st rounder sho has one season in his development where he didn't pitch to that pedigree. Acting like he's nothing is just ignoring the value of pitching in this league.

If Weaver can give you as much as 175 league average innings, he's a $12 million asset. Eovaldi only managed about 120 and got a 4 year guarantee despite a career littered with injuries and ineffectiveness.
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:15 PM   #4238
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Nathan Eovaldi just got $67.5 million over 4 years and he's had exactly one good season in an 8 year career.

Y'all are really going to say that Weaver has no value in this environment? Dudes a former 1st rounder sho has one season in his development where he didn't pitch to that pedigree. Acting like he's nothing is just ignoring the value of pitching in this league.

If Weaver can give you as much as 175 league average innings, he's a $12 million asset. Eovaldi only managed about 120 and got a 4 year guarantee despite a career littered with injuries and ineffectiveness.
To me that says more about not paying a lot for shitty players?
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:27 PM   #4239
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:39 PM   #4240
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You would think they might tread carefully with free agent LH relievers.
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Old 12-06-2018, 12:47 PM   #4241
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Nathan Eovaldi just got $67.5 million over 4 years and he's had exactly one good season in an 8 year career.

Y'all are really going to say that Weaver has no value in this environment? Dudes a former 1st rounder sho has one season in his development where he didn't pitch to that pedigree. Acting like he's nothing is just ignoring the value of pitching in this league.

If Weaver can give you as much as 175 league average innings, he's a $12 million asset. Eovaldi only managed about 120 and got a 4 year guarantee despite a career littered with injuries and ineffectiveness.
Good timing. Unfortunately for Shelby Miller, he wasn't eligible for FA after his one good season. I could see him getting something similar if his 2013 season was his 2018 season. Hard to tell how Weaver will really trend. He has the stuff to trend better and be a steal, but so did Miller.
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It's like the Cubs last season with Darvish. They weren't interested at all in Darvish when it was thought he was going to get 170ish million, but then the price started falling more and more and they started to comb their eyebrows.

They waited till Darvish fell to a more manageable $125m mega-bust.
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They waited till Darvish fell to a more manageable $125m mega-bust.
Less detrimental than your future manager.
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Less detrimental than your future manager.
You can take $125m straight up the ass no-lube, I'll take the bench coach for $250k.
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You can take $125m straight up the ass no-lube, I'll take the bench coach for $250k.
That's fine. It's not my money. I'll stick with the guy that can only hurt himself rather than the guy that will **** up the entire organization.
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