NFL Draft Okay, so WHAT exactly is so goddamn great about the 2018 QB class? - Page 3

**RealSNR** · 04-09-2017, 08:57 AM

I see a loooooot of question marks here. A bunch of guys who would be 3rd or 4th rounders in THIS draft class if they declared this year. A bunch of these dudes are so young they might not even declare for the draft. And finally, we got a bunch of spread QBs who.... [gasp!]... need time to acclimate to an NFL pro style offense and develop the footwork and timing of taking snaps under center.

I see Sam Darnold. That's great. There's your #1 overall. IF HE ****ING DECLARES, THAT IS. I see Josh Rosen, who looked good in 2015 but could wind up as another Christian Hackenburg who never puts it all together. And I see a bunch of dried cum with question marks, JUST LIKE THIS QB DRAFT CLASS.

Here's how Walter Football has them ranked:

1. Sam Darnold, USC
2. Josh Rosen, UCLA
3. Luke Falk, Washington State
4. Josh Allen, Wyoming
5. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn
6. Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State
7. Chase Litton, Marshall
8. Riley Ferguson, Memphis

COULD this be an awesome and deep draft class for QBs? Yes, absoutely. No question about it. But guess what. There's an equal chance that this QB class flames out and looks just as bad as the 2013 class, particularly if Sam Darnold doesn't declare.

People who bitch about the 2017 class don't ****ing get it. They think if there's no true top end QB, that means they all suck. What do the Chiefs ****ing care about the quality of the top guys in a given QB draft class? We're not going to be in a position to draft them!

Again, let me say this slowly, so the reeruns and assholes can hear me:

In ANY GIVEN DRAFT CLASS, the top QB prospects with the best resumes and attributes are irrelevant to the QB draft needs of the Chiefs. The Chiefs have zero shot at picking any of them. The worst teams with the biggest QB needs will draft all of these players before Dorsey can even begin to pick up the goddamn phone to call and move up.

Tell me what we gain from NOT drafting a QB in 2017 so we can draft Josh Allen, Jarrett Stidham, or Chase ****ing Litton in 2018, a FULL YEAR LONGER where Alex Smith is the only ****ing thing we have at QB.

milkman · 04-09-2017, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

The same people who aren't willing to wait till 2018 to draft a QB are willing to draft a QB and have him sit for 2 years to develop. What's the difference?
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The difference is that we might have wait 2 years for whomever is available when we draft next year.

The difference is that we've heard next year is a better year for QBs every ****ing year since before many here even started following football.

**The Franchise** · 04-09-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

The 2018 rounder might need a year or two also. Were you actually being serious here?

Gotta wait until 2019, bro.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 04-09-2017, 11:44 AM

2021 is ligning up to have a shit load of great QB's . I'm excited for 2021

**PHOG** · 04-09-2017, 11:46 AM

This year's HS sophomore class is the one to keep an eye on for sure!

**notorious** · 04-09-2017, 11:46 AM

I'm excited for the QB that hasn't been born yet. Might as well wait it out.

Chief Roundup · 04-09-2017, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The difference is that we might have wait 2 years for whomever is available when we draft next year.

The difference is that we've heard next year is a better year for QBs every ****ing year since before many here even started following football.

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

The 2018 rounder might need a year or two also. Were you actually being serious here?

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Originally Posted by -King-

The same people who aren't willing to wait till 2018 to draft a QB are willing to draft a QB and have him sit for 2 years to develop. What's the difference?
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Expanding on what these guys thoughts and using the accurate logic that SNR layed out:
If we are drafting in the 25 to 32 range in the 2018 draft the top QB prospects will be gone and we will be left with the same/similar type prospects that we have available to us this year. One of the reason that these QBs might drop to us or close enough for Dorsey to go get him is that this draft is deep at a lot of other positions, 2018 is not according to those same analysts, which will drive these QBs value down.
So if we are going to get a QB that needs to set for a season or two whether we draft that QB in 2017 or 2018 then the difference is that we can have one of those seasons already behind the QB that we might draft in 2017 which in essence would give the 2017 QB an advantage over any 2018 QB that would be available to us in the back end of the 1st round.
To take it one step further another possible advantage to drafting one this year is IF next years draft has these better QBs it will push better talent at other positions down to us. Win-Win!!

Coogs · 04-09-2017, 12:06 PM

Trubisky will be 23 when the season starts. The other 3 will be 21, and turn 22 during the season.

And I have read where these 4 guys have a chance to be something special... they just need a little time.

A year in our system may help Mahomes far more than going back to Texas Tech for 1 more year and getting college experience. Maybe even the same for Watson or Kizer.

Plus they just may fall down the draft board because they need a little time, not because they lack talent. Plays right into our hands.

Hammock Parties · 04-09-2017, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

The difference is that we've heard next year is a better year for QBs every ****ing year since before many here even started following football.

In this case it's actually true, though.

And if we reach for a middling prospect this year, there's a very good chance we blow our shot at a real first round prospect next year.

The best play to is to trade our 2017 1st for a 2018 1st and then use that ammo to try and move up in 2018.

RunKC · 04-09-2017, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ASS11

In this case it's actually true, though.

And if we reach for a middling prospect this year, there's a very good chance we blow our shot at a real first round prospect next year.

The best play to is to trade our 2017 1st for a 2018 1st and then use that ammo to try and move up in 2018.

Nobody is going to trade their 2018 1st rd pick for our 27th overall pick.

Hammock Parties · 04-09-2017, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Nobody is going to trade their 2018 1st rd pick for our 27th overall pick.

It can ABSOLUTELY happen.

It has happened before. If a team is looking to get back into the first round, or even the top of the 2nd round, they will trade a future 1st, no question.

Examples:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

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The 49ers traded #110 and their 2008 first round pick to the Pats for #28 in 2007.

The Broncos traded their 2010 first round pick for Seattle's #37 in 2009.

The Panthers traded their 2010 first round pick for San Fran's #43 and #111 in 2009.

The Saints traded their 2012 first round pick for New England's #28 in 2011.

And that's not even the entire history of the draft.

-King- · 04-09-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

The 2018 rounder might need a year or two also. Were you actually being serious here?

Or they might need a year. Or they may be ready to start right away. Bottom line is if you want to draft a QB right now that won't be ready till 2019, you shouldn't criticize people who want to wait until 2018 to draft one.
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-King- · 04-09-2017, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Gotta wait until 2019, bro.

That's my whole point. SNR had said hes okay with drafting Mahomes and having him sit for 2+ years. How is that any better than waiting until 2018 to draft a QB that may be more developed than he is and won't need 2 years on the bench to be ready?

I want to draft a QB this year. I don't want to draft a QB that takes more than a year to develop. I don't see how a QB sitting on the bench for 2 years is any better than drafting a QB next year and having him either start right away or sit for one year and be ready to start at the same time Mahomes would have been ready to start.
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O.city · 04-09-2017, 01:18 PM

Financially doesn't make sense if your QB has to sit for 2 years. You figure year 3 is then basically a rookie year, and your having to make decisions on a contract without really knowing what you've got.

I'm all for not playing a guy till he's ready, but if it's more than a year, I'm not interested. Especially for a first round pick.

-King- · 04-09-2017, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Financially doesn't make sense if your QB has to sit for 2 years. You figure year 3 is then basically a rookie year, and your having to make decisions on a contract without really knowing what you've got.

I'm all for not playing a guy till he's ready, but if it's more than a year, I'm not interested. Especially for a first round pick.

This.
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**The Franchise** · 04-09-2017, 01:51 PM

Give Kizer a year and he'll be ready to match and exceed our QBs 15 TDs.

04-09-2017, 08:57 AM
RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2450208	Okay, so WHAT exactly is so goddamn great about the 2018 QB class? I see a loooooot of question marks here. A bunch of guys who would be 3rd or 4th rounders in THIS draft class if they declared this year. A bunch of these dudes are so young they might not even declare for the draft. And finally, we got a bunch of spread QBs who.... [gasp!]... need time to acclimate to an NFL pro style offense and develop the footwork and timing of taking snaps under center. I see Sam Darnold. That's great. There's your #1 overall. IF HE **ING DECLARES, THAT IS. I see Josh Rosen, who looked good in 2015 but could wind up as another Christian Hackenburg who never puts it all together. And I see a bunch of dried cum with question marks, JUST LIKE THIS QB DRAFT CLASS. Here's how Walter Football has them ranked: 1. Sam Darnold, USC 2. Josh Rosen, UCLA 3. Luke Falk, Washington State 4. Josh Allen, Wyoming 5. Jarrett Stidham, Auburn 6. Nick Fitzgerald, Mississippi State 7. Chase Litton, Marshall 8. Riley Ferguson, Memphis COULD this be an awesome and deep draft class for QBs? Yes, absoutely. No question about it. But guess what. There's an equal chance that this QB class flames out and looks just as bad as the 2013 class, particularly if Sam Darnold doesn't declare. People who bitch about the 2017 class don't ing get it. They think if there's no true top end QB, that means they all suck. What do the Chiefs ing care about the quality of the top guys in a given QB draft class? We're not going to be in a position to draft them! Again, let me say this slowly, so the reeruns and assholes can hear me: In ANY GIVEN DRAFT CLASS, the top QB prospects with the best resumes and attributes are irrelevant to the QB draft needs of the Chiefs. The Chiefs have zero shot at picking any of them. The worst teams with the biggest QB needs will draft all of these players before Dorsey can even begin to pick up the goddamn phone to call and move up. Tell me what we gain from NOT drafting a QB in 2017 so we can draft Josh Allen, Jarrett Stidham, or Chase ing Litton in 2018, a FULL YEAR LONGER where Alex Smith is the only **ing thing we have at QB.
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04-09-2017, 12:06 PM	#37
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $1694349	Trubisky will be 23 when the season starts. The other 3 will be 21, and turn 22 during the season. And I have read where these 4 guys have a chance to be something special... they just need a little time. A year in our system may help Mahomes far more than going back to Texas Tech for 1 more year and getting college experience. Maybe even the same for Watson or Kizer. Plus they just may fall down the draft board because they need a little time, not because they lack talent. Plays right into our hands.
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2834064	Financially doesn't make sense if your QB has to sit for 2 years. You figure year 3 is then basically a rookie year, and your having to make decisions on a contract without really knowing what you've got. I'm all for not playing a guy till he's ready, but if it's more than a year, I'm not interested. Especially for a first round pick.
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