Chiefs Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback so far - Page 3

Deberg_1990 · 05-26-2017, 03:40 PM

When the Chiefs selected Patrick Mahomes II with the 10th overall pick in the NFL Draft — after trading a 2018 first-round pick to do it — it would have been easy for backup quarterback Tyler Bray to mentally go in the tank.

The 25-year-old Bray spent the previous four seasons learning coach Andy Reid’s offense, and the Chiefs still opted to sacrifice premium draft capital to select another young quarterback with traits to mirror Bray’s cannon for an arm and love for the deep ball.

But Bray, an undrafted free agent in 2013, is no stranger to competition. He beat out 2014 fifth-round pick Aaron Murray for the backup job a year ago, though he had the No. 2 spot usurped from him by veteran Nick Foles during training camp.

And Bray functioned as the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback ahead of Mahomes this week during the Chiefs’ first three of 10 voluntary offseason practices. Bray knows that as long as he has a job in the NFL, he has a chance to play.

“It’s the same thing every year — you’ve got to come out there and compete,” Bray said. “We’ve drafted a guy every year … you can’t just sit back (and say) ‘Aw, here we go again.’ I mean, it’s the NFL. They’re going to bring in guys every year that are competing to start.”

Reid emphasized Thursday that Bray again has an opportunity to hold onto the No. 2 job, despite Mahomes’ presence and the fact Bray is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after the season.

“He’s going to compete — I would tell you that’s what he does,” Reid said of Bray. “He’s earned the right to be in that position and now he’s got to maintain it.”

What could complicate things for Bray is that the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback only gets a handful of practice snaps with the starters during the regular season. If the Chiefs are committed to getting Mahomes some snaps, it might make sense to install him as the top backup so he gets meaningful reps with the top offensive players.

But Reid also noted Thursday that young backup quarterbacks can still get on-field practice work during the regular season.

“Where they get their reps is on the scout team,” Reid said. “Then you try to tie that in to what (the first-teamers) do the best way you possibly can.”

Which makes the mental reps the backups take — when they watch starter Alex Smith run the offense — as important as on-field reps. And given the way coaches and teammates have complimented Bray’s improved knowledge of the playbook, it appears he has taken advantage of those mental reps.

For instance, Bray wasn’t asked to execute all of the Chiefs’ offensive concepts in practice last season. But Reid said that is no longer the case.

“For the most part, this is the first time he’s had the whole thing thrown at him and been expected to do it,” Reid said. “He’s doing a nice job with it. Tyler is very much improved from where we initially got him.”

Bray says he’s at the point where he’s able to point out when teammates are lined up incorrectly, even slightly.

“Just detailing where guys are supposed to be lined up,” he said. “Getting them to where they need to be and not just being like ‘Oh, he’s close enough.’”

Reid also praised Bray’s instincts and vision.

“There’s more than just the playbook,” Reid said, “there’s doing the things at the line of scrimmage that we ask him to do and adjustments we ask him to make, and he does well with those things.”

Bray and Mahomes aren’t the only quarterbacks in line behind Smith. Joel Stave, 25, was signed to the practice squad in November and re-signed to a reserve-futures contract in January. He’s 6 feet 5, 230 pounds and has a strong arm.

“He competes … he’s a smart kid and he’s learning,” Reid said. “Is he ‘there’ yet? No, but he’s showing improvement and that’s all you can ask of him until he gets a few more snaps under his belt.”

Stave says he’s primarily working on his footwork, decision-making and knowledge of the offense.

“It’s just a matter of continuing to understand the offense as well as I can,” he said, “and then playing as fast as I can.”

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RunKC · 05-26-2017, 08:13 PM

Pat Mahomes/Joel Stave 2018!

Chief Roundup · 05-26-2017, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Pat Mahomes/Joel Stave 2018!

Smith/Bray in 2017, Mahomes/Bray in 2018!

Coogs · 05-26-2017, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kman34

I think it's a stretch to think he's going to start unless Alex gets hurt....

Poor record? Pretty tough schedule before the bye!

Frazod · 05-26-2017, 09:10 PM

Bray's still on the team? Wow, who knew?

**RealSNR** · 05-26-2017, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog

Fluff piece and media talk to "showcase" Bray in order to trade him for ANYTHING at some point this year.

ANYTHING.

Dorsey will do his cheap little, "I'll swap you our 7th for your 6th in exchange for this turd player we're cutting loose."

Not complaining, necessarily. It's better than getting nothing out of those guys, for sure.

**RealSNR** · 05-26-2017, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Pat Mahomes/Joel Stave 2018!

If we didn't have Mahomes on the roster, I'd be SICK about our QBs.

Alex Smith as the starter. AIDS Soup.

Tyler Bray as the backup. reerun day at the Arrowhead corral.

And Joel Stave. The dude who made me BEG for QB play as good as the Scott Tolzein years.

Barf. ****ing buh-arf.

Reerun_KC · 05-26-2017, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frazod

Bray's still on the team? Wow, who knew?

Not anyone worth a shit would of known that...

Psyko Tek · 05-27-2017, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

Great another shit show

trade bait?

BlackOp · 05-27-2017, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

this is Brays last year under contract in KC so if Mahomes doesn't win the backup spot in the 2017 PS Alex will be a Chief in 2018 because Dorsey won't cut all the experience loose and roll with just Mahomes and 2 new QBs next year.

You just put all the Mahomes fantasy boyz on suicide watch...you know, those that think a 21 year old will effortlessly waltz in and master Reids playbook in one season.

Life is a videogame to these tards...word to the wise...just because you project your repressed, homo-erotic hero worship on a football player...doesn't make it real.

jaa1025 · 05-27-2017, 01:05 AM

Best case scenario with Bray:

Bray has an excellent preseason. Alex gets injured early in the season for a few games and Bray excels. Chiefs flip him after the season for a 2nd round pick.

Alex is flipped for a 3rd rounder.

jd1020 · 05-27-2017, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

You just put all the Mahomes fantasy boyz on suicide watch...you know, those that think a 21 year old will effortlessly waltz in and master Reids playbook in one season.

Life is a videogame to these tards...word to the wise...just because you project your homo-erotic hero fantasy on a football player...doesn't make it real.

If we are judging by Alex's performance then Mahomes will only need to learn and perfect a small portion of Reids playbook, because I've been told that it's Alex's ___ year in the system and he's about to break out. Ya... still waiting for that to happen.

BlackOp · 05-27-2017, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

If we are judging by Alex's performance then Mahomes will only need to learn and perfect a small portion of Reids playbook, because I've been told that it's Alex's ___ year in the system and he's about to break out. Ya... still waiting for that to happen.

Bortles threw for almost 4000 yards last season...and the talk is they might be looking for a new QB. "3-13 record doesn't matter, I want bombs...all day, every day" -CP Bortles>Smith

4000 yards is a "break out" by NFL standards...Yet, Smith is just sitting, smiling, in the middle of a 12-4 "aids fire".

Hypothetically...lets switch Bortles and Smith. Which team wins more games? My guess is Jacksonville improves by 7 wins and is a 10-6 team in the AFC South...KC goes 8-8 BUT they have a passer who throws amazing bombs and stupid interceptions.

How is this possible? "MOAR yards = MOAR kick ass...."- Slim Jim Nation

CP logic would rather lose 4 more games...but have a QB with 4000+ yards

jd1020 · 05-27-2017, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Bortles threw for almost 4000 yards last season...and the talk is they might be looking for a new QB. "3-13 record doesn't matter, I want bombs...all day, every day" -CP Bortles>Smith

4000 yards is a "break out" by NFL standards...Yet, Smith is just sitting, smiling, in the middle of a 12-4 "aids fire".

Unfortunately for Alex, that regular season win% hasn't continued into the post season because a bunch of horses have broken their back trying to carry that dead weight for 16 games.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-27-2017, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

You just put all the Mahomes fantasy boyz on suicide watch...you know, those that think a 21 year old will effortlessly waltz in and master Reids playbook in one season.

Life is a videogame to these tards...word to the wise...just because you project your repressed, homo-erotic hero worship on a football player...doesn't make it real.

I'm sure the Chiefs are going to "Bray" Mahomes for a couple of seasons, keep him off the field and in the classroom while Bray and Smith continue on with getting the Chiefs to the post season.

Oh shit; did I mention that I am a reerun with no grasp on reality?

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Unfortunately for Alex, that regular season win% hasn't continued into the post season because a bunch of horses have broken their back trying to carry that dead weight for 16 games.

Your greatness as a poster is downright scary. Rep.

BlackOp · 05-27-2017, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Unfortunately for Alex, that regular season win% hasn't continued into the post season because a bunch of horses have broken their back trying to carry that dead weight for 16 games.

He threw for 370+ 4 td and no INTs vs. the Colts... its one the best PO performances in NFL history...rarefied air.

All the hate generated here cant erase that FACT.....and they pretend it never happened because it doesn't fit the narrative. They want one person to blame..and one only. Mahomes is now the savior...

Kelce dropping passes...nope. Davis fumbling in NE territory..nope. Berry getting schooled by Gronk for a TD...Nope. Charles getting a concussion...nope. Flowers getting hurt ...nope. Hali dropping a Brady INT...nope. Fisher holding...nope. Bowe not getting both feet down...nope. Its ALL Smith....

KC has sucked..as a team..when the bright light are on. (Playoffs) They have made critical mistakes that world champions dont...and had some terrible luck too. Patriots role player dont choke...

05-26-2017, 03:40 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3914454	Tyler Bray, not Patrick Mahomes, is the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback so far When the Chiefs selected Patrick Mahomes II with the 10th overall pick in the NFL Draft — after trading a 2018 first-round pick to do it — it would have been easy for backup quarterback Tyler Bray to mentally go in the tank. The 25-year-old Bray spent the previous four seasons learning coach Andy Reid’s offense, and the Chiefs still opted to sacrifice premium draft capital to select another young quarterback with traits to mirror Bray’s cannon for an arm and love for the deep ball. But Bray, an undrafted free agent in 2013, is no stranger to competition. He beat out 2014 fifth-round pick Aaron Murray for the backup job a year ago, though he had the No. 2 spot usurped from him by veteran Nick Foles during training camp. And Bray functioned as the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback ahead of Mahomes this week during the Chiefs’ first three of 10 voluntary offseason practices. Bray knows that as long as he has a job in the NFL, he has a chance to play. “It’s the same thing every year — you’ve got to come out there and compete,” Bray said. “We’ve drafted a guy every year … you can’t just sit back (and say) ‘Aw, here we go again.’ I mean, it’s the NFL. They’re going to bring in guys every year that are competing to start.” Reid emphasized Thursday that Bray again has an opportunity to hold onto the No. 2 job, despite Mahomes’ presence and the fact Bray is slated to be an unrestricted free agent after the season. “He’s going to compete — I would tell you that’s what he does,” Reid said of Bray. “He’s earned the right to be in that position and now he’s got to maintain it.” What could complicate things for Bray is that the Chiefs’ No. 2 quarterback only gets a handful of practice snaps with the starters during the regular season. If the Chiefs are committed to getting Mahomes some snaps, it might make sense to install him as the top backup so he gets meaningful reps with the top offensive players. But Reid also noted Thursday that young backup quarterbacks can still get on-field practice work during the regular season. “Where they get their reps is on the scout team,” Reid said. “Then you try to tie that in to what (the first-teamers) do the best way you possibly can.” Which makes the mental reps the backups take — when they watch starter Alex Smith run the offense — as important as on-field reps. And given the way coaches and teammates have complimented Bray’s improved knowledge of the playbook, it appears he has taken advantage of those mental reps. For instance, Bray wasn’t asked to execute all of the Chiefs’ offensive concepts in practice last season. But Reid said that is no longer the case. “For the most part, this is the first time he’s had the whole thing thrown at him and been expected to do it,” Reid said. “He’s doing a nice job with it. Tyler is very much improved from where we initially got him.” Bray says he’s at the point where he’s able to point out when teammates are lined up incorrectly, even slightly. “Just detailing where guys are supposed to be lined up,” he said. “Getting them to where they need to be and not just being like ‘Oh, he’s close enough.’” Reid also praised Bray’s instincts and vision. “There’s more than just the playbook,” Reid said, “there’s doing the things at the line of scrimmage that we ask him to do and adjustments we ask him to make, and he does well with those things.” Bray and Mahomes aren’t the only quarterbacks in line behind Smith. Joel Stave, 25, was signed to the practice squad in November and re-signed to a reserve-futures contract in January. He’s 6 feet 5, 230 pounds and has a strong arm. “He competes … he’s a smart kid and he’s learning,” Reid said. “Is he ‘there’ yet? No, but he’s showing improvement and that’s all you can ask of him until he gets a few more snaps under his belt.” Stave says he’s primarily working on his footwork, decision-making and knowledge of the offense. “It’s just a matter of continuing to understand the offense as well as I can,” he said, “and then playing as fast as I can.” http://www.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...152686414.html
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