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Old 10-22-2018, 04:56 PM  
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The Myth that Nelson Sucks

Simply put, it’s wrong.

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Over the past six games, Nelson has only allowed 264 yards while being targeted 42 times.

He’s having a pretty good season, and at least half of CP thinks he sucks. It’s a shame.
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Old 10-22-2018, 05:55 PM   #31
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Umm you said heís a #4 corner. Thatís exactly where that would put him.

Only if you're saying that each team has a minumum of two legit starting quality corners.
I think his ceiling is a reasonable #3, mostly a #4 guy. Just his ranking among the people currently playing the position doesn't actually speak to his real ability, just his RELATIVE rating. It's not the same thing at all.
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Old 10-22-2018, 05:55 PM   #32
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Only if you're saying that each team has a minumum of two legit starting quality corners.
Lol wut?

If youíre saying heís a #4 corner at best on any team, youíre saying there are at least 100 corners better than him. Itís really simple.
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Old 10-22-2018, 05:59 PM   #33
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I swear it’s like some of you don’t realize that guys like Cooper, Mitchell, and even Gaines were all starters after they left here.

Do you even watch the rest of the league?
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:03 PM   #34
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I swear itís like some of you donít realize that guys like Cooper, Mitchell, and even Gaines were all starters after they left here.

Do you even watch the rest of the league?


Cooper and Mitchell are still playing better than Nelson .


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Old 10-22-2018, 06:04 PM   #35
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Lol wut?

If youíre saying heís a #4 corner at best on any team, youíre saying there are at least 100 corners better than him. Itís really simple.
DID I SAY ON ANY TEAM? No. You're just trying to argue for the sake of arguing.

I think he's of max #3 mostly a #4 quality. NOT ON ANY TEAM. On a WINNING TYPE DEFENSE TEAM. He's small, looks like he lacks top end speed, and has average at best ball recognition skills. He's not SHITTY, he's just not a quality #2. He's a #3 at best a probably a #4 on a GOOD DEFENSE. In my opinion. Whatever.

Do you ****ing read and comprehend before you start arguing?
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:04 PM   #36
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Yet heís PFFís 48th ranked corner despite playing on the outside on an island and being targeted early and often.


Pff is wrong a lot.

Pff said Ryan Fitzpatrick was the number 1 qb through 3 weeks. [emoji1745]*[emoji3603]


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Old 10-22-2018, 06:05 PM   #37
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Simply put, itís wrong.




Heís having a pretty good season, and at least half of CP thinks he sucks. Itís a shame.
Last night was the first night he wasn't committing DPI on a half dozen plays. It's not black or white. The truth actually lies in the middle, as it usually does.
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:07 PM   #38
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Cooper and Mitchell are still playing better than Nelson .


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Cooper has played in two games this year and is a backup at this point.

Mitchell has been struggling all year and he’s PFF’s #78 corner. Nelson is having a much better season.

Thanks for proving my point. You guys don’t have a ****ing clue about the rest of the NFL.
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:08 PM   #39
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I swear itís like some of you donít realize that guys like Cooper, Mitchell, and even Gaines were all starters after they left here.

Do you even watch the rest of the league?
Gaines has been pretty bad for Buffalo, including a number of his classic penalties.
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Last night Dalton threw to Green almost exclusively. Nelson wasn't covering Green. So, saying he graded out the best in that particular game means nothing.

The best thing I can say about Nelson is he doesn't get abused as often as Fuller does. Fuller is just trash. I don't know how he was rated so highly last year, because he is slow, his hips are slow, and he seems to have questionable technique.

I cannot be the only person watching the all-22 noticing he gets toasted whether he lines up inside or out.

So, in as far as he isn't Fuller, Nelson is OK.

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Old 10-22-2018, 06:10 PM   #41
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Gaines has been pretty bad for Buffalo, including a number of his classic penalties.
I’m not saying he hasn’t. It’s actually pretty much my point. As bad as everybody thinks those guys are/were they are still NFL starters.

Hence why saying Nelson is a #4 corner at best is ****ing retarded.
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:15 PM   #42
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The Myth that Nelson Sucks

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Cooper has played in two games this year and is a backup at this point.

Mitchell has been struggling all year and heís PFFís #78 corner. Nelson is having a much better season.

Thanks for proving my point. You guys donít have a ****ing clue about the rest of the NFL.


Says the guy that failed to mention that Mitchell broke his ****ing arm 3 weeks ago, and cooper has been out with a hamstring for 4 weeks.
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Old 10-22-2018, 06:19 PM   #43
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Says the guy that failed to mention that Mitchell broke his ****ing arm 3 weeks ago, and cooper has been out with a hamstring for 4 weeks.
I’m well aware of Coopers injury, but I forgot about Mitchell’s.

That doesn’t change the fact that what I said was true.

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Old 10-22-2018, 06:21 PM   #44
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Let me explain what I'm saying again-you're not understanding me.

64 "starting" CB's, right? In base defense.

Nelson's rating out at #48.

so, bottom quarter of starting CB's. That's probably about right. He doesn't suck, he's just being asked to do things beyond his ability. He's kind of/sort of held his own, but he gets PI's a lot and does get burnt some. He's not a legit #2. There are a LOT of starting CB's in the league that also aren't up to the task. Hence-he's #48. That's not really that big of a stretch to understand, right? Relative to others, he's #48. Out of #64.

Add in the nickel corners and that number looks better, but considering that a lot of #2's aren't all that great, then how good are the #3's on those teams? So in other words-that ranking doesn't really SAY anything at all, does it? Not really. His size and physical limitations are what they are. He's miscast as a #2. He's a slot guy, #3 or #4 CB on a PLUS DEFENSE.

Ok? OK.
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