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Old 04-03-2020, 06:19 AM  
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Chiefs and Chris Jones working towards a long term deal. .
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Old 04-03-2020, 11:06 PM   #76
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We’re beyond the point of needing to. The doc’s play slipped this year and our c and otherG are ass. Pat’s mobility makes them look respectable.

When his ankle was hurt he got killed back there...
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Old 04-03-2020, 11:13 PM   #78
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We’re beyond the point of needing to. The doc’s play slipped this year and our c and otherG are ass. Pat’s mobility makes them look respectable.

When his ankle was hurt he got killed back there...
Im wondering if having a shit brick playing center is the reason why LDT didn't look very good. Having a bad center can make the whole interior line look bad. The C is responsible for shifts and other things. Draft a good C and the whole line will improve.
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Old 04-03-2020, 11:18 PM   #79
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We’re beyond the point of needing to. The doc’s play slipped this year and our c and otherG are ass. Pat’s mobility makes them look respectable.

When his ankle was hurt he got killed back there...
Did he get killed back there?

Chiefs allowed one of the lowest sack rates in the league and the 7th fewest QB hits.

Our running game struggles mightily because of our interior OL. I’ll never argue that.

Our pass protection isn’t as bad as some believe though. Even with Cam Erving starting games at LT and Mahomes being hobbled for most of the season, we still ranked among the best in sacks allowed and QB hits allowed.

If you think our pass protection is THAT bad, I’d love to see a stat that backs that up. Granted, Mahomes was hurried and hit a lot in the Super Bowl, but the 49ers DL is not the norm.
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Old 04-03-2020, 11:25 PM   #80
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Just to clarify my point.

I don’t think we have a great OL. I just don’t think the pass protection specifically is as bad as some believe.

I think we may be biased as Chiefs fans:

1. Every hit on Mahomes seems worse to us, because we realize exactly how important he is.
2. We were spoiled in the early 2000’s with an unrealistic idea of what an OL should look like.

If there is a stat out there that confirms that our pass protection sucks, I’d absolutely accept that. I just haven’t seen a stat that says that.

Also, the Mahomes mobility argument doesn’t really convince me (at least not after this year). He practically played on one leg for most of the year and we still ended up with some of the best pass protection numbers in the league.
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Did he get killed back there?

Chiefs allowed one of the lowest sack rates in the league and the 7th fewest QB hits.

Our running game struggles mightily because of our interior OL. I’ll never argue that.

Our pass protection isn’t as bad as some believe though. Even with Cam Erving starting games at LT and Mahomes being hobbled for most of the season, we still ranked among the best in sacks allowed and QB hits allowed.

If you think our pass protection is THAT bad, I’d love to see a stat that backs that up. Granted, Mahomes was hurried and hit a lot in the Super Bowl, but the 49ers DL is not the norm.
Mahomes was hobbled- because Cam stepped on his ankle. Whatever point you're trying to make, should have left Erving out of it. Our pass protection numbers looked good because Mahomes is a magician back there.
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Old 04-03-2020, 11:37 PM   #82
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Mahomes was hobbled- because Cam stepped on his ankle. Whatever point you're trying to make, should have left Erving out of it. Our pass protection numbers looked good because Mahomes is a magician back there.
My point is that any effect Cam Erving had should be excluded. He was a back up and only playing because Fisher was hurt.

Cam was an awful LT. And despite that, our numbers were still among the best in the league.

Do I believe our OL is among the best in the league? No. I just don’t believe the pass protection is as bad as some think.

If Mahomes was getting hit constantly, the QB hit numbers would be much worse than they are.
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Old 04-03-2020, 11:58 PM   #83
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yeah, I still don't see how it's possible.

Long-term deals typically lower the cap hit for the current year.
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Just to clarify my point.

I don’t think we have a great OL. I just don’t think the pass protection specifically is as bad as some believe.

I think we may be biased as Chiefs fans:

1. Every hit on Mahomes seems worse to us, because we realize exactly how important he is.
2. We were spoiled in the early 2000’s with an unrealistic idea of what an OL should look like.

If there is a stat out there that confirms that our pass protection sucks, I’d absolutely accept that. I just haven’t seen a stat that says that.

Also, the Mahomes mobility argument doesn’t really convince me (at least not after this year). He practically played on one leg for most of the year and we still ended up with some of the best pass protection numbers in the league.
Mahomes is tough and will stand in and take the hit after the ball is out. Those are the shots that take the toll. Our interior line sucks but Pat cancels it out mainly because he is young. You are crazy if you want to take a chance with this phenoms future.
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Mahomes is tough and will stand in and take the hit after the ball is out. Those are the shots that take the toll. Our interior line sucks but Pat cancels it out mainly because he is young. You are crazy if you want to take a chance with this phenoms future.
I would love to upgrade the interior, but I won’t be shocked if we don’t use an early pick on a C/G.

Apparently, he doesn’t take THAT many of those hits though. Like I said before, we allowed the 7th fewest QB hits in the league. A lot of other teams allowed far more.

My guess is that our entire OL is somewhere around average. The combo of Mahomes and Reid (who really doesn’t get enough credit for this) elevates them to being a top 5 statistical pass protection OL. The Tackles are probably in the top quarter of the league and the Interior is probably in the bottom third of the league.

I don’t think they’re great, but I also don’t think they’re as bad as some believe specifically in pass protection.
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Reuter and the rest of the interior played pretty well in the playoffs. The interior mesh got better and better as the season went on (and Wylie was replaced). Reuter also snapped the ball really well. I doubt we place Reuter this season.
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Reuter and the rest of the interior played pretty well in the playoffs. The interior mesh got better and better as the season went on (and Wylie was replaced). Reuter also snapped the ball really well. I doubt we place Reuter this season.
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yeah, and then it'll go up next year or the year after. You know, when we have to pay Mahomes somewhere around $40 million dollars.
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This seems to contradict the thread title...



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NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Chiefs have yet to make an offer to franchise tagged DL Chris Jones.

ESPN's Adam Schefter added the Chiefs are looking to keep Jones and not trade him. Kansas City has been in talks with Jones but there's been no offers to this point. With Patrick Mahomes also in line for an extension, fitting Jones could be tough with the Chiefs running low on cap space. Jones would make $16.1 million if he plays 2020 under the tag.
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If you say so but working with $177 if that's accurate isn't very good either bro.
Just because a team has a ton of cap space doesn't mean it is well run. It probably means the opposite, they lack talent and have drafted poorly. I think the Chiefs $177 in cap space is a testament to Veach's ability to every ****ing nickel. Thats what I want my GM to do.
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