Chiefs Let's talk about the Ravens. - Page 14

Direckshun · 12-03-2018, 12:34 AM

The Ravens are a uniquely weird team in Week 14 of the NFL season.

They're weird because their QB position is a great unknown.

Joe Flacco is, of course, the world's most underwhelming Super Bowl MVP, and has sucked this year. We know who he is, we have millions of hours of underwhelming tape to depressingly watch. And he returned to practice this week, but did not play, Eric Berry style.

But that might change. He may see the field.

Which is interesting, because their backup QB, Lamar Jackson, a 1st round selection by the Ravens (albeit with the 32nd pick), is a very weird player. He runs, and runs, and runs with the ball. His completion percentage is a not-terrible 60%. And he's only played three weeks, so tape on him is slim.

We know this: he is fast, he is not afraid to run the ball, and he's a damn gazelle when he does.

The good news: we can probably spy him. His weapons are bleak. Alex Collins is his #1 RB, and he's averaging 3.6 yards a carry. His #1 receiver is John Brown, who initially looked like Tyreek Hill when he first hit the league, but has since statistically slowed down and is now just a good receiver with very difficult speed to account for. Michael Crabtree is their #2 alongside Willie Snead, and Tyreek Hill has more yardage than both of those guys combined, but Crabtree has had good games against us in the past.

As a result, the Ravens are still somehow 13th in the league in yardage, they are averaging 25 points a game.

The Ravens have good pass protection, as they've only given up like 25 sacks or something like that. Ronnie Stanley is their LT.

But really, the Ravens offense wins by trying to run the ball, passing decently, and then letting Lamar Jackson get creative.

As far as the defense is concerned.................. biggest test of the year right here folks.

#1 rated defense in yardage (they're allowing under 300 yards/game).
#1 rated defense in points (they're allowing 17 points/game).

I think it's safe to say we're going to beat those averages but they should still slow us down pretty significantly. I don't know if Patty will have another 4 TD game here.

The Ravens get good pressure on the QB -- they're 9th in the league in sacks, and the pressure comes from everywhere. Suggs has always played well against us but he only has 5.5 this year. They blitz a good amount.

Simply put, the Ravens pass defense will be the biggest challenge Mahomes faces all year. They're allowing under 200 yards passing all season. Eric Weddle is a goddamn general at the back of their defense, and they've got a solid corner or two despite the fact that none of their corners are true ballhawks. Brandon Carr will make a rare appearance against the Chiefs, which is whatever, but he's apparently playing well.

The Ravens have a mean defensive line, and maybe the meanest NT in the league in Brandon Williams. I'm willing to bet they drop everyone in coverage, smother Kelce, and dare Spencer Ware to beat their DL. That's a very tall order, and I don't think our run game is up to the challenge. Mahomes will need to tap every ounce of his MVP talent to get yardage.

In special teams, they have arguably the greatest kicker in modern NFL history in Justin Tucker. They've had one punt return for a TD.

They're 7-5. They're on a three game win streak. Lamar Jackson has started all three games.

Their wins: Bills, Broncos, @Steelers, @Titans, Bengals (no Dalton), Raiders, @Falcons
Losses: @Bengals (Dalton), @Browns, Saints, @Panthers, Steelers

That schedule is all over the place. They beat Pitt in Pitt, but pathetically lose to the Browns. The most damning game on the schedule is the Saints game, where they only lost by a point.

How is this team so good? I've asked before. They have no elite talent on offense and are still racking up yardage and point. They have a damn good defense but don't intercept the ball and they don't have any sack masters like the Chiefs do.

What is going on?

**New World Order** · 12-04-2018, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ

The Ravens strength with Jackson playing QB has been ball control. They are dominating TOP. I see no reason to think that will change against the Chiefs run D. Collins is on IR now but Gus Edwards and Kenneth Dixon are tough runners. Edwards is a beast going through the middle. Jackson has a strong arm but not terribly accurate. He could be deadly on play action if that improves.

I look for the Chiefs to win by less than a touchdown. The O/U is 53, if I were a betting man I'd take the under.

The Ravens are my "other" team. They both need the W. Maybe I'll just go to the movies.

"Other" team????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

carcosa · 12-04-2018, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Best22

Pass rush? Check
Quarterback? Check
Receivers? Check
Homefield??

We can beat anybody in the AFC

Shit yes kween!

carcosa · 12-04-2018, 09:23 AM

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carcosa · 12-04-2018, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

We'll struggle with Jackson's speed and their OL's physicality, but I can't picture a rookie running QB coming into Arrowhead and outdeuiling Pat at this point.

It'll give us a good bit of practice for Russell Wilson at any rate. I don't think we've faced any mobile QBs yet this year.

Blake Bortles!!!!!!

Eleazar · 12-04-2018, 09:26 AM

The defense plays better at home, particularly the pass rush, so I expect we'll be fine. A scrambling QB and a good running game could be problematic for us, but I don't see Baltimore outscoring us.

carcosa · 12-04-2018, 09:29 AM

Joe Flacco might get the start lol

Naptown Chief · 12-04-2018, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RJ

The Ravens strength with Jackson playing QB has been ball control. They are dominating TOP. I see no reason to think that will change against the Chiefs run D. Collins is on IR now but Gus Edwards and Kenneth Dixon are tough runners. Edwards is a beast going through the middle. Jackson has a strong arm but not terribly accurate. He could be deadly on play action if that improves.

I look for the Chiefs to win by less than a touchdown. The O/U is 53, if I were a betting man I'd take the under.

The Ravens are my "other" team. They both need the W. Maybe I'll just go to the movies.

No.
Other team?
No.

St. Patty's Fire · 12-04-2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

We'll struggle with Jackson's speed and their OL's physicality, but I can't picture a rookie running QB coming into Arrowhead and outdeuiling Pat at this point.

It'll give us a good bit of practice for Russell Wilson at any rate. I don't think we've faced any mobile QBs yet this year.

We’ve faced Case Keenum TWICE!

St. Patty's Fire · 12-04-2018, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by dwwataz

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Other team?
No.

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Naptown Chief · 12-04-2018, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa

yorp

YIP.

Naptown Chief · 12-04-2018, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnDONsey

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Other team

YIP.

Best22 · 12-04-2018, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

Denver did that in our away game.

We needed Mahomes to win that game. We're probably going to need Williams or someone to step up.

FTFY

DJ's left nut · 12-04-2018, 09:45 AM

People have called about 6 different games this year 'trap' games. They've been wrong, but they keep doing it.

This game, OTOH, is an actual trap game. A somewhat down opponent (who's playing well of late) prior to the game that will almost certainly decide our season against LAC. It's a home game against a very strange opponent who provides a wrinkle that we haven't seen yet and have no good way to prepare for. It comes after a divisional game against a rival. It has all the earmarks of a true letdown game.

This one could get iffy fairly quickly.

**ChiefGator** · 12-04-2018, 09:57 AM

So, if we beat the Ravens and then beat the Chargers.. doesn't that secure the AFC West title for us?

Halfcan · 12-04-2018, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by carcosa

Joe Flacco might get the start lol

Either way, I don't think they can keep up with our offense.

I hope Andy installs a lot of quick hitters to neutralize their pass rush, lots of option pass / runs for Mahomes to get him out in space and wear down that tough Raven D.

Please, don't just run it straight up the middle all day.

12-03-2018, 12:34 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4413447	Let's talk about the Ravens. The Ravens are a uniquely weird team in Week 14 of the NFL season. They're weird because their QB position is a great unknown. Joe Flacco is, of course, the world's most underwhelming Super Bowl MVP, and has sucked this year. We know who he is, we have millions of hours of underwhelming tape to depressingly watch. And he returned to practice this week, but did not play, Eric Berry style. But that might change. He may see the field. Which is interesting, because their backup QB, Lamar Jackson, a 1st round selection by the Ravens (albeit with the 32nd pick), is a very weird player. He runs, and runs, and runs with the ball. His completion percentage is a not-terrible 60%. And he's only played three weeks, so tape on him is slim. We know this: he is fast, he is not afraid to run the ball, and he's a damn gazelle when he does. The good news: we can probably spy him. His weapons are bleak. Alex Collins is his #1 RB, and he's averaging 3.6 yards a carry. His #1 receiver is John Brown, who initially looked like Tyreek Hill when he first hit the league, but has since statistically slowed down and is now just a good receiver with very difficult speed to account for. Michael Crabtree is their #2 alongside Willie Snead, and Tyreek Hill has more yardage than both of those guys combined, but Crabtree has had good games against us in the past. As a result, the Ravens are still somehow 13th in the league in yardage, they are averaging 25 points a game. The Ravens have good pass protection, as they've only given up like 25 sacks or something like that. Ronnie Stanley is their LT. But really, the Ravens offense wins by trying to run the ball, passing decently, and then letting Lamar Jackson get creative. As far as the defense is concerned.................. biggest test of the year right here folks. #1 rated defense in yardage (they're allowing under 300 yards/game). #1 rated defense in points (they're allowing 17 points/game). I think it's safe to say we're going to beat those averages but they should still slow us down pretty significantly. I don't know if Patty will have another 4 TD game here. The Ravens get good pressure on the QB -- they're 9th in the league in sacks, and the pressure comes from everywhere. Suggs has always played well against us but he only has 5.5 this year. They blitz a good amount. Simply put, the Ravens pass defense will be the biggest challenge Mahomes faces all year. They're allowing under 200 yards passing all season. Eric Weddle is a goddamn general at the back of their defense, and they've got a solid corner or two despite the fact that none of their corners are true ballhawks. Brandon Carr will make a rare appearance against the Chiefs, which is whatever, but he's apparently playing well. The Ravens have a mean defensive line, and maybe the meanest NT in the league in Brandon Williams. I'm willing to bet they drop everyone in coverage, smother Kelce, and dare Spencer Ware to beat their DL. That's a very tall order, and I don't think our run game is up to the challenge. Mahomes will need to tap every ounce of his MVP talent to get yardage. In special teams, they have arguably the greatest kicker in modern NFL history in Justin Tucker. They've had one punt return for a TD. They're 7-5. They're on a three game win streak. Lamar Jackson has started all three games. Their wins: Bills, Broncos, @Steelers, @Titans, Bengals (no Dalton), Raiders, @Falcons Losses: @Bengals (Dalton), @Browns, Saints, @Panthers, Steelers That schedule is all over the place. They beat Pitt in Pitt, but pathetically lose to the Browns. The most damning game on the schedule is the Saints game, where they only lost by a point. How is this team so good? I've asked before. They have no elite talent on offense and are still racking up yardage and point. They have a damn good defense but don't intercept the ball and they don't have any sack masters like the Chiefs do. What is going on?
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	The defense plays better at home, particularly the pass rush, so I expect we'll be fine. A scrambling QB and a good running game could be problematic for us, but I don't see Baltimore outscoring us.
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