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Old 10-13-2020, 03:09 PM  
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Why even try to run out a kickoff??
Is there any reason to run out a kickoff anymore? The refs are going to find a hold to call virtually every time now so the risk of trying to gain more than 25 yards is negated so often you lose more than you gain. I know someone out there can look up stats on this. Am I wrong?

PS Mecole has not made good decisions on returns lately. The ball he let go by Patrick was pissed about and the ball he let go between his legs was almost a turnover. These are lack of judgement mistakes.
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:24 PM   #2
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Two questionable decisions by one kick returner is not a solid basis for an argument to get rid of kick returns . . . in stats/probability class we'd say that the data set was "of insufficient size to make a determining."
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:27 PM   #3
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:28 PM   #4
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No, but often the ball is kicked right to the goal line. A returner doesn't have time to look down and see if he's a half yard in or out of the end zone before taking off, so if it's close, they're gonna run it out.
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:28 PM   #5
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Two questionable decisions by one kick returner is not a solid basis for an argument to get rid of kick returns . . . in stats/probability class we'd say that the data set was "of insufficient size to make a determining."
You don’t have to get “rid of it” but let it the **** go out of the end zone.
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:35 PM   #6
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You don’t have to get “rid of it” but let it the **** go out of the end zone.
Why? Just because it seems like they throw a lot of flags during returns?

Seems like you'd just be eliminating a possible big play/scoring opportunity, just because some fans feel like it's not worth the chance the refs won't throw a flag.
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:36 PM   #7
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It's a league wide issue.

Go back and watch the game last night when guys were returning kicks after taking them 8 yards deep in the end zone.
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Old 10-13-2020, 03:54 PM   #9
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What is the average return on a kick into the endzone this year? I'd bet it's less than 25 yards. The return is one of the most exciting plays in football, but taking one out if you're more than 4 yards deep is just foolish unless all you have to beat is the kicker.
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What is the average return on a kick into the endzone this year? I'd bet it's less than 25 yards. The return is one of the most exciting plays in football, but taking one out if you're more than 4 yards deep is just foolish unless all you have to beat is the kicker.
Not sure if there's an easy source for this year, but here's an analysis using 2018 data. In short, you're better taking a knee on average.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...-or-not-return
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Old 10-13-2020, 04:16 PM   #11
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Old 10-13-2020, 06:52 PM   #12
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Not sure if there's an easy source for this year, but here's an analysis using 2018 data. In short, you're better taking a knee on average.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/st...-or-not-return
Exactly, I would like to bet that this year its' even more slanted. The rules and the refs are trying to take the kickoff and the punt out of the game, they just don't want to admit it.
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Unless you absolutely need to try and make a special teams play late in the game, don't return a kick.
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