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Old 02-26-2020, 10:28 PM  
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***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

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Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
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People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

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Old 04-09-2020, 06:12 PM   #19321
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complete destruction of civilization? I’m thinking there is some solution between what we are doing and that hyperbole remark.

You started to make a sane statement, then embedded a tweet implying that anybody who tries to earn a living for their family has reckless disregard for the lives of others.
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:13 PM   #19322
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This.

I wasn't advocating that people should avoid the flu shot, just that I've never needed it personally.

Also, immediate family members always seem to get sick after the shot, so that's not very encouraging, either.
Pro-tip: It usually takes about two weeks to build up full immunity and the effectiveness of the shot will wane over the course of the season as the virus mutates. You are generally best off getting the shot sometime in October.

Fortunately, all flu shots have been inactivated vaccines for several years now, which means you can't get the flu from the shot, but a mild fever and malaise are not uncommon.
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:17 PM   #19323
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The odds of dying from the flu shot are a lot smaller than dying from the flu.
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:22 PM   #19324
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The odds of dying from the flu shot are a lot smaller than dying from the flu.
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:28 PM   #19325
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People waiting in long lines not exactly social distancing to get paper unemployment forms because they lost their jobs from said social distancing mandates... sad irony.

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Old 04-09-2020, 06:29 PM   #19326
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Pro-tip: It usually takes about two weeks to build up full immunity and the effectiveness of the shot will wane over the course of the season as the virus mutates. You are generally best off getting the shot sometime in October.

Fortunately, all flu shots have been inactivated vaccines for several years now, which means you can't get the flu from the shot, but a mild fever and malaise are not uncommon.
From my understanding, the sickness that occurs in some people after the flu shot isn't the flu but an allergic reaction to the "wrapper".
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:31 PM   #19327
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People waiting in long lines not exactly social distancing to get paper unemployment forms because they lost their jobs from said social distancing mandates... sad irony.

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Old 04-09-2020, 06:33 PM   #19328
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Many of the young people who are hospitalized with COVID are smokers/vapers. It's thought that because of the particular type of receptors the virus binds to in the lung, which are also affected by smoking and vaping, that smokers and vapers might be more vulnerable than first thought. Either one should be considered to put even a young person into a high risk category.

Perhaps vapers are overrepresented among covid patients as well because of how much sharing of those devices goes on or correlation with other risky behaviors such as a lack of distancing.

In any case, among people you wouldn't normally expect to get hit this hard by a virus, smokers and vapers seem to be right alongside the obese, diabetics, and people with other chronic lung/heart issues. FWIW
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Old 04-09-2020, 06:35 PM   #19329
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Many of the young people who are hospitalized with COVID are smokers/vapers. It's thought that because of the particular type of receptors the virus binds to in the lung, which are also affected by smoking and vaping, that smokers and vapers might be more vulnerable than first thought. Either one should be considered to put even a young person into a high risk category.

Perhaps vapers are overrepresented among covid patients as well because of how much sharing of those devices goes on or correlation with other risky behaviors such as a lack of distancing.

In any case, among people you wouldn't normally expect to get hit this hard by a virus, smokers and vapers seem to be right alongside the obese, diabetics, and people with other chronic lung/heart issues. FWIW
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Many of the young people who are hospitalized with COVID are smokers/vapers. It's thought that because of the particular type of receptors the virus binds to in the lung, which are also affected by smoking and vaping, that smokers and vapers might be more vulnerable than first thought. Either one should be considered to put even a young person into a high risk category.

Perhaps vapers are overrepresented among covid patients as well because of how much sharing of those devices goes on or correlation with other risky behaviors such as a lack of distancing.

In any case, among people you wouldn't normally expect to get hit this hard by a virus, smokers and vapers seem to be right alongside the obese, diabetics, and people with other chronic lung/heart issues. FWIW
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From my understanding, the sickness that occurs in some people after the flu shot isn't the flu but an allergic reaction to the "wrapper".
The egg i think was the culprit which i think they removed.
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Many of the young people who are hospitalized with COVID are smokers/vapers. It's thought that because of the particular type of receptors the virus binds to in the lung, which are also affected by smoking and vaping, that smokers and vapers might be more vulnerable than first thought. Either one should be considered to put even a young person into a high risk category.

Perhaps vapers are overrepresented among covid patients as well because of how much sharing of those devices goes on or correlation with other risky behaviors such as a lack of distancing.

In any case, among people you wouldn't normally expect to get hit this hard by a virus, smokers and vapers seem to be right alongside the obese, diabetics, and people with other chronic lung/heart issues. FWIW
Seems like a common sense connection that if people are weakening the health of their lungs by vaping or smoking, they are at higher risk from a respiratory virus.
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Looks like about 250 more cases today and 40 less deaths so far today per Worldometer.
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I wonder if quitting smoking now would have any impact - or if it's too late.
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Many of the young people who are hospitalized with COVID are smokers/vapers. It's thought that because of the particular type of receptors the virus binds to in the lung, which are also affected by smoking and vaping, that smokers and vapers might be more vulnerable than first thought. Either one should be considered to put even a young person into a high risk category.

Perhaps vapers are overrepresented among covid patients as well because of how much sharing of those devices goes on or correlation with other risky behaviors such as a lack of distancing.

In any case, among people you wouldn't normally expect to get hit this hard by a virus, smokers and vapers seem to be right alongside the obese, diabetics, and people with other chronic lung/heart issues. FWIW
I mentioned this obliquely earlier in the thread, but there is a thought that *some* the deleterious effects of COVID come from the downregulation of ACE2, an enzyme which converts angiotensin II to angiotensin 1-7. Ang 1-7 has several protective effects on the cardiovascular system, where as angiotensin II has harmful effects. If you remove the good and keep the bad, you will in essence create a positive (which is actually bad in homeostatic systems) feedback loop that will lead to cardiovascular and pulmonary injury.

Animal models have also demonstrated that smoking leads to an increase in Ang II and a decrease in ACE2. Again, more of the bad, less of the good.

If you take those factors together (again this is a theory without much evidence yet), then the mechanism of insult makes sense to me.
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