***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Went to Gates to order To Go but quickly noped my way out of there as no customers were wearing masks nor was the staff.

Wow you just saved your life dude. Close call.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

I guess in a month or two we should have better data on how much difference wearing mask makes. People walking in a park may or may not be wearing masks around here but at grocery stores and picking up take out it appears to be 100%.

There's a variation of people wearing masks here in the Midwest.

This might sound really bad, but I'm going to say it anyway.

From my own observation, the higher class areas of town are a lot more likely to be wearing masks than the lower class areas.

[TLO]

Depending on if/when Worldomoters fixes the bug on the New York numbers, we might come in at 1200 deaths or so today.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Wow you just saved your life dude. Close call.

I'll choke you out harder than Rona ever could

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I'll choke you out harder than Rona ever could

You couldn’t beat yourself out of a wet paper bag.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by staylor26

You couldn’t beat yourself out of a wet paper bag.

I'd bloody your nose then youd call the cops

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TLO

There's a variation of people wearing masks here in the Midwest.

This might sound really bad, but I'm going to say it anyway.

From my own observation, the higher class areas of town are a lot more likely to be wearing masks than the lower class areas.

I think it's more about demographics. Old people wear them and also women..Under 50 males rarely do if it's not mandatory from what I see. 1 person the gym wears one and he is probably in his 60s.

[petegz28]

Weekend levity.....

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

I'd bloody your nose then youd call the cops

Can somebody please for the love of god show Billay where the ‘ button is.

[Donger]

Dogs may be able to sniff out Covid: Trials for specially-trained sniffer dogs that may be able to detect coronavirus in humans, even before symptoms appear, are set to begin in London. Respiratory diseases are known to change body odor, according to the researchers, who hope dogs can detect the virus as they have been able to do with malaria.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude, alliteration aside, it's sarcasm.....

And you clearly suck at it so if I were you I'd avoid using it at all costs.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

And you clearly suck at it so if I were you I'd avoid using it at all costs.

oooooh, oh, oooooh...BURN

[R Clark]

Originally Posted by Donger

Dogs may be able to sniff out Covid: Trials for specially-trained sniffer dogs that may be able to detect coronavirus in humans, even before symptoms appear, are set to begin in London. Respiratory diseases are known to change body odor, according to the researchers, who hope dogs can detect the virus as they have been able to do with malaria.

I hope they do a better job than the dog’s detecting dope , from watching on tv that looks like a joke.

[Lilmrp117]

Originally Posted by Rausch

This is all I ask. If I'm hospitalized with it I'd prefer to try this combination. I understand if physicians aren't allowed to recommend it but I'd sign a waiver or informed consent form to be allowed to.

The idea that there is no evidence is false. It may not be enough evidence to advise an entire country to make it the default treatment but there is some evidence. Small numbers and small trial sizes.

Two news stories that cite the same study with completely different conclusions. It would appear that these trials seem to prove what those conducting them wanted to prove (positive or negative.) What those who are optimistic about it state is the importance of giving the combo early - those that state little to no positive results gave the combo between 7 to 12 days after symptoms began. That's a big difference.

And doctors regularly prescribe drugs for off label use. The last 4 drugs I tried for insomnia were not developed to specifically treat that.

Also the biggest negatives seem to be heart complications due to the QT interval. People with a longer interval can have negative or fatal effects and should be tested for this before being considered. I guess there's a range that's dangerous and people close to that shouldn't take either drug.

Any drug can cause a negative reaction in small percentages of people. Do what you can to educate yourself and make informed decisions. I am not a doctor and don't know more about medicine than my doctor.

Nothing is "safe." Dozens of vaccines have been hurried into production and discontinued due to negative side effects and infections. Probably hundreds of medications as well. Hell, I just found out the damned antacid I'd been taking for 10 years causes cancer...

I'd rather have hydroxychloriquine plus zinc like some doctors have recommended. They theorize that it is zinc that fights the virus and hcq helps the zinc get in the cells. Dr. Zelenko and Dr. Cardillo have both reported great success and this study also lends some support to the theory:

http://https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/news/zinc-hydroxychloroquine-found-effective-in-some-covid-19-patients-study-01589234407

It annoys me every time a study on hcq is done without zinc to try to make hcq look ineffective. Zinc seems to be the key and people keep obsessing over only hcq.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Lilmrp117

I'd rather have hydroxychloriquine plus zinc like some doctors have recommended. They theorize that it is zinc that fights the virus and hcq helps the zinc get in the cells. Dr. Zelenko and Dr. Cardillo have both reported great success and this study also lends some support to the theory:

http://https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.barrons.com/amp/news/zinc-hydroxychloroquine-found-effective-in-some-covid-19-patients-study-01589234407

It annoys me every time a study on hcq is done without zinc to try to make hcq look ineffective. Zinc seems to be the key and people keep obsessing over only hcq.

Other trials which included Zinc and HCQ showed No benefits, I think Hamas posted one or two specific to the zinc.

I’m a clinician, not a researcher,” he said. “I don’t understand fully the language of clinical research.” This is what Dr. Zelenko said to explain why he falsely stated his trial was FDA approved