***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

ok





pete serious question here.





have you been wearing a mask when in public recently? im genuinely curious...

No. Only where required.

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[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Lzen

I think you should read the article. I don't think it's biased but it does ask questions.

There's been a TON of research done in the past few months. We now know that surfaces are a pretty rare source of transmission when, in the beginning, people thought it was the primary way the virus was spread.

The original indications were that CV was only in large droplets that almost immediately dropped to the ground. Now we know that it can be spread in small droplets that can linger in the air for hours. It can even be moved around in air conditioning systems and still infect people.

In a world where it is transmitted primarily by surfaces, all you need to do is wash your hands. We now know that's not true. That's why masks are being recommended now while they weren't in the beginning.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No. Only where required.

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fair enough

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

does droplets getting into wounds spread the cornavirus?



ive seriously never seen that said, but i could have missed something.

Context is key. Read the article and you will understand the statement.

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[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Read the article.

Did you?

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's been a TON of research done in the past few months. We now know that surfaces are a pretty rare source of transmission when, in the beginning, people thought it was the primary way the virus was spread.

The original indications were that CV was only in large droplets that almost immediately dropped to the ground. Now we know that it can be spread in small droplets that can linger in the air for hours. It can even be moved around in air conditioning systems and still infect people.

In a world where it is transmitted primarily by surfaces, all you need to do is wash your hands. We now know that's not true. That's why masks are being recommended now while they weren't in the beginning.

If it is spread from droplets suspended in the air for hours then the comparison to chainlink fences keeping mosquitos out is fairly accurate for the majority of masks being used.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...-effectiveness



https://theconversation.com/masks-he...wearing-138507



There are another Eleventy Billion articles and papers like this.



Do the masks stop the virus clusters from getting through? Very few do. Do the masks help prevent the spread of the virus? Absolutely.



Does it matter WHY people wear masks? Nope. Regardless of your reason to wear them, the benefits are the same.

Yeah you are wrong on a few things there but whateva

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[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Pants

Did you?

Twice even to ensure lack of political bias

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[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

You didn't even read it so what the **** would you know about the main message? Dumb ass.

Maybe you should read it. It has a Tweet from February in it to make a point.

Do you agree with the last lines of the article or is that not fitting your scientific agenda today?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No. Only where required.

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I think we should have a fun experiment where we put people who are against masks in a room with people who 100% confirmed to be infected. You don't know who is who or what percentage is infected.

You can stay six feet away from people, but no more. You have a choice - everyone in the room wears a mask (including you) or no one wears a mask.

I would be fascinated to see what percentage would choose for no one to have to wear a mask.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No. Only where required.

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Does your family?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yeah you are wrong on a few things there but whateva

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Gimme one, pete.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Maybe you should read it.



Do you agree with the last lines of the article or is that not fitting your scientific agenda today?

Yeah it's not my fault you didn't read it before you went off. Own it or don't that's on you

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[DaFace]

Originally Posted by jdubya

If it is spread from droplets suspended in the air for hours then the comparison to chainlink fences keeping mosquitos out is fairly accurate for the majority of masks being used.

A more apt comparison would be golf balls being hit at a chain link fence. Would some get through? Yes. But a lot wouldn't.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by DaFace

I think we should have a fun experiment where we put people who are against masks in a room with people who 100% confirmed to be infected. You don't know who is who or what percentage is infected.

You can stay six feet away from people, but no more. Your have a choice - everyone in the room wears a mask (including you) or no one wears a mask.

I would be fascinated to see what percentage would choose for no one to have to wear a mask.

I love the way you think.