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Old 08-25-2009, 02:42 PM  
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:16 PM   #106
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If the wheels were locked (not spinning), and the treadmill was accelerated to the speed required for flight, then yes, it would take off. If the wheels were free to spin, the plane would not move forward relative to the ground and would therefore have no lift.
See my propeller question
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:16 PM   #107
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If the wheels were locked (not spinning), and the treadmill was accelerated to the speed required for flight, then yes, it would take off. If the wheels were free to spin, the plane would not move forward relative to the ground and would therefore have no lift.
I always thought the treadmill would be going the opposite way of the plane's forward motion (or attempt at motion).
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:18 PM   #108
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I always thought the treadmill would be going the opposite way of the plane's forward motion (or attempt at motion).
Again, if the wheels were spinning, it would make no difference.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:19 PM   #109
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But what if the plane uses a propeller to push the wind? Or does the propeller not do that?
A plane uses a propeller to provide thrust, yes.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:21 PM   #110
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A plane uses a propeller to provide thrust, yes.
So ignoring friction, if the planes wheels were just spinning, and the plane remained still relative to the ground, and then the propellers turned on and spun fast enough (theoretically), that would not create enough lift for the plane to take off?
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:21 PM   #111
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:22 PM   #112
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:24 PM   #113
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:24 PM   #114
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:25 PM   #115
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Then they did not use the same criteria described above.

If the planes wheels are spinning, then the aircraft has no relative ground speed. If if has no relative ground speed, no air is flowing over the aircraft's wings. If no air is flowing over the wings, there is no lift. If there is no lift, the plane will not fly.
That would only make sense if the plane were being propelled by its wheels. And even then, you could still take off (in theory) if the wheels are moving more quickly than the treadmill.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:26 PM   #116
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So ignoring friction, if the planes wheels were just spinning, and the plane remained still relative to the ground, and then the propellers turned on and spun fast enough (theoretically), that would not create enough lift for the plane to take off?
No, it would not. Air flowing over the wing creates lift. However, if you ever played with a rubber band aircraft, you'll remember that if you really cranked the rubber band up, you could hold the plane with the propeller facing the sky and the propeller would create enough lift (briefly) for the plane to increase altitude. Not unlike a helicopter's rotor.
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:26 PM   #117
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Old 08-25-2009, 04:26 PM   #118
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Again, if the wheels were spinning, it would make no difference.
they used a plane and a 1oooft tarp being pulled the opposite direction.

the pilot said before the attempt didn't he think it would work either. maybe you're related
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