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**OnTheWarpath15** · 11:10 PM

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.

I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.

Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36

Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

**RealSNR** · 07-17-2012, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

Fitz - Josh McCown, Matt Leinart, Kurt Warner, Derek Anderson, Kevin Kolb, Josh Skelton.

He really only had Warner for 2 years. The first 3 Warner was there he was injured, replaced, or Leinart was starting.

Other than those 2 years it's a list of shit.

Smith - Jake Delhomme, Vinny Testaverde, David Carr, Matt Moore, Jimmy Clausen, Cam Newton.

Jake Delhomme had a pretty good Matt Schaubish career for several years, and that's when he put up his best numbers. Delhomme and Cassel/Huard aren't comparable in the least.

**the Talking Can** · 07-17-2012, 12:37 PM

pioli gave Cassel $60 mill for nothing...literally nothing, and has watched him perform in the bottom 5th of all QBs, with no repercussions

but Bowe once flexed his muscles on tv, so he has to go...too risky, who cares if he is a guaranteed 1000+ yard WR...

jd1020 · 07-17-2012, 12:38 PM

Calvin Johnson - John Kitna, Dan Orvlosky, Dante Culpepper, Drew Stanton, Shaun Hill, Matthew Stafford.

Last season was Staffords first full season.

jd1020 · 07-17-2012, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Jake Delhomme had a pretty good Matt Schaubish career for several years, and that's when he put up his best numbers. Delhomme and Cassel/Huard aren't comparable in the least.

We are only counting the years that Bowe has been in the league. Delhomme was terrible.

**RealSNR** · 07-17-2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

C.Johnson
White
A. Johnson
Fitzgerald
Welker
Green
S. Smith
(around here they start to lump together, including Bowe, V.Jackson, Marshall, Nelson, Wallace)

I'm not insulting Bowe. I'd put him in the grouping between 7-10 or 11. I love Bowe, but I don't remember anyone trying to make the case he's one of the very best in the league until now.

AJ Green? Are you serious?

BigChiefFan · 07-17-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

pioli gave Cassel $60 mill for nothing...literally nothing, and has watched him perform in the bottom 5th of all QBs, with no repercussions

but Bowe once flexed his muscles on tv, so he has to go...too risky, who cares if he is a guaranteed 1000+ yard WR...

I'm beginning to hate this franchise. They aren't commited to winning it all. They get cheap, every ****ing time it comes to pay up big signing bonus money.

whoman69 · 07-17-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King

Who do you have ahead of him? Just curious.

Its in the OP

Chiefnj2 · 07-17-2012, 12:48 PM

All that really matters is that Bowe has been, and could have been, an elite receiver for KC for years to come. Even with a different system every year and a revolving door of poor QBs, he has produced.

Dumb-asses better not say that his numbers aren't impressive, or can be had by any other player, because they haven't been achieved in KC since Otis Taylor.

Sofa King · 07-17-2012, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

C.Johnson
White
A. Johnson
Fitzgerald
Welker
Green
S. Smith
(around here they start to lump together, including Bowe, V.Jackson, Marshall, Nelson, Wallace)

I'm not insulting Bowe. I'd put him in the grouping between 7-10 or 11. I love Bowe, but I don't remember anyone trying to make the case he's one of the very best in the league until now.

I'd say that list is accurate although Steve Smith is past his prime and I haven't seen enough of Green yet, although the potential is there.

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by MIAdragon

I was just looking at that, except I was looking at total yards divided by targets to come up with avg yards per target.

DB comes to 8.2 yards per target last season.

Fitz is at 9.2 PT

R White at 7.1

Welker at 9.1

Calvin J at 10.6

Steve S at 10.8

I'd rather just see pure targets.

Too many factors go into the yards generated.

Such as QB play.

Amnorix · 07-17-2012, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

The Gospel of Welker, the 12th chapter:

In the afternoon Tom rode into Foxboro on a Bentley, where he met with his disciples and practiced at the stadium. A prosperous receiver named Deion approached him and said, "QB, see that I have faithfully stood by you this long while, and did catch your passes in important games, earning Super Bowls. My faith in you is strong! I will pray to your Father Belichick for a long term contract and more money, so that we might continue to do good works!" But Tom waved his hand and said, "Foolish receiver, have you not understood anything I have taught you? Go out and seek your large contract if you value it more than your faith in me!" And so Deion did leave Foxboro and found a large contract in the land of Seattle, where his faith was troubled and he did lose many games.

Seeing what just took place, an even more prosperous receiver named Randy, desiring to earn favor with the QB after having already found his large contract, approached the QB and said, "QB, see that I have acquired many statistics over a long and prosperous career, and see that my skills are still sharp and have not waned. Bestow upon me half of your blessed throws, and I will make you the undisputed greatest quarterback in the history of man!" But Tom waved his hand and said, "Get behind me, Satan, for your motivations are not out of devotion to me and my Father, but for your own earthly cred and swag!" And so Randy was taken out of the stadium and banished to the land of Minnesota, where he did squander his talent and skills, and lose all of his cred and swag.

However, a poor undrafted receiver named Julian was afraid of Tom. He spoke to him saying, "QB, I have no skills, and my skin is pale white. I have no swag and no cred. But I will follow you and will always love you, and I will do everything asked of me by your Father on the sideline, even play special teams and reserve cornerback." Tom looked upon Julian and smiled. He said, "Child, your faith has become your cred and swag. You are now strong, and will receive my blessings on primetime regular season games and in the playoffs. Go now and catch my throws."

Good news spread of this moment, and soon Deion did return to Foxboro seeking the forgiveness of Tom, and it was granted. Deion did no longer seek his large contract, seeing his faith in Tom as sufficient for his success. And he was blessed and did play in another Super Bowl.

The Gospel of Welker. Glory to the Patriot Way.

That's a riot.

Of course, Welker is franchised this year, and it may be his last in Foxboro. It's the Patriot Way though. You gotta love that it works, but hate it when it costs you someone like Welker...

Hammock Parties · 07-17-2012, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

It's the Patriot Way though. You gotta love that it works,

It's great at bilking the Hunts out of a couple hundred mil.

MIAdragon · 07-17-2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Toad King

I'd rather just see pure targets.

Too many factors go into the yards generated.

Such as QB play.

Yes the numbers could be cleaner but it also factors in drops.

ChiefsCountry · 07-17-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

You gotta love that it works, but hate it when it costs you someone like Welker...

It works because of Tom ****ing Brady. Only damn reason.

mikey23545 · 07-17-2012, 01:17 PM

Not a single one of you mother****ers know what Pioli has offered Bowe, and not a single one of you mother****ers know what Bowe was asking for.

And yet here you all sit, wailing like a bunch of braying jackasses about how unfairly little boweby has been treated.

Quite the drafturbater circle jerk you have going on here...

07-17-2012, 11:45 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4931115	How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's? Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this. I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league. What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years. I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's. Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe. Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49 Roddy White - 6422/42 Reggie Wayne - 6234/36 Wes Welker - 6105/31 Calvin Johnson - 5872/49 Andre Johnson - 5703/35 Greg Jennings - 5539/46 Steve Smith - 5353/29 Marques Colston - 5202/40 Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36 Personally, I think that's impressive on its own. Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons. Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems. It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game. Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play. After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play. I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game. Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league. Dude deserved elite money. Or, tl;dr - **** him. Last edited by OnTheWarpath15; 07-17-2012 at 11:10 PM..
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Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7883688	All that really matters is that Bowe has been, and could have been, an elite receiver for KC for years to come. Even with a different system every year and a revolving door of poor QBs, he has produced. Dumb-asses better not say that his numbers aren't impressive, or can be had by any other player, because they haven't been achieved in KC since Otis Taylor. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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07-17-2012, 01:17 PM	#45
mikey23545 MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10015321	Not a single one of you mother**ers know what Pioli has offered Bowe, and not a single one of you mother**ers know what Bowe was asking for. And yet here you all sit, wailing like a bunch of braying jackasses about how unfairly little boweby has been treated. Quite the drafturbater circle jerk you have going on here...
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