Should the NFL fine the Refs for blown calls?

[cooper barrett]

Or are they going to make them re-viewable?

I like hitting the refs in the wallet but reviewing is most likely the way it will happen. Both would be better than the BS circumstances that a review would be allowed.

Yeah. That was pass interference. pic.twitter.com/niV9z2rnJi

— Brad Galli (@BradGalli) January 20, 2019

Yeah. That was pass interference. pic.twitter.com/niV9z2rnJi

— Brad Galli (@BradGalli) January 20, 2019

To make things worse, the NFL's vice president of officiating, Al Riveron, actually admitted to Payton that there were a total of two missed penalties on the play.

"[The league] said not only was it interference, but it was helmet-to-helmet," Payton said. "There were two calls [the refs missed], they couldn't believe it. We spoke initially, then I called to follow up and the first thing Al said when I got on the phone, 'We messed it up.'"

Cook's facemask...



Before the 2 minute warning: We used an illegal pic and should have been flagged for OPI, which was uncalled, to get back the lead with a 38-yard pass to Watkins, Did the non-call that Belichick went crazy over (tossing his computer) have anything to do with the "Roughing" call that never happened? Was Ford penalized (late) for offsides payback for a non called penalty?

Remember, If Belichick got a review of the pass to Watkins, the ball would have been brought back plus 15 yards or 2nd+25 in Pat's territory) IMHO the game may have been over, right there

Should that Line Judge, in Saints game, have a nice $5K or $10K missing from this check for the game? Should they fire him? Or should all calls in a playoff game be reviewed by New York?


Wait it's more complicated than that....
Should all plays inside 2 minutes be reviewed or should coaches be able to challenge anything at anytime?

IMHO: Reviews of non calls will never happen anytime soon. The NFL will never levy a penalty against a referee for a non-call. I doubt they would even acknowledge a call like Chris Ford's "Roughing" as a bad call. With enough pressure there may be penalty reviews but reversing non-calls isn't going to happen without "Watson" being listed as a Striped Shirt"

[CoMoChief]

Fined? No.

You can't have refs worry about getting fined while trying to ref a fast paced game in real time for every bad call they make.

However there should be a *strict* grading scale/points system or something, and if a ref makes a certain number of bad calls, they're suspended.

I also think more calls should be able to be up for review/challenged. PI def being one of them. Should also be able to challenge calls at any point in the game..especially the last couple mins, which is bad calls are the most crucial.

[MahiMike]

FIRE them? Hell these guys are getting big bonuses for these calls. Haven't you heard? It's rigged man.

[wazu]

Seems like rather than fine them they should have a thing where at the end of the year whichever ref made the most bad calls gets their pinky finger cut off. Once you run out of pinky fingers you get fired.

[cooper barrett]

Originally Posted by Superturtle

Saw a rumor that Riveron is going to be fired soon.

I heard they are going to replay the last quarter of each game.

Which is the greater false?

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Fined? No.

You can't have refs worry about getting fined while trying to ref a fast paced game in real time for every bad call they make.

However there should be a *strict* grading scale/points system or something, and if a ref makes a certain number of bad calls, they're suspended.

I also think more calls should be able to be up for review/challenged. PI def being one of them. Should also be able to challenge calls at any point in the game..especially the last couple mins, which is bad calls are the most crucial.

These grades should also be public and transparent. Hell, have the refs be grilled by the media after the game just like coaches and players are.

[Lprechaun]

I said it last night. ANY and all calls resulting in a first down should be reviewed from the league office. ANY and all plays should be challengable.
The more challenges coaches win the worse the refs look

[ChiefsFanatic]

I think the officials should be required to hold a press conference after every game, and that their names should be printed and shared in every article that discusses the blown calls.

When the officials go from being anonymous to being publicly identified as the person who changed the outcome of a game with a bad call, they can actually be held accountable for their actions.

When their name is in an article about that roughing the passer penalty that Brady got but Mahomes didn't, or the DPI/Helmet to Helmet hit from the Saints game, and their name is mentioned on every single sports talk radio station and sports related television program, it will not be so easy for them to control the spread or the winner.

Because, if that officials name gets mentioned more than a few times, the NFL may be forced to do something about it, like hire full time officials and implement an internal review system so the office in New York can alter or wave off calls.

Now, since no penalty was called in the Saints game, it wouldn't be eligible for review, but maybe the rules committee can create a separate challenge flag for that situation. Say, you can challenge two plays per game due to a penalty, but if the first review is denied, you lose the second penalty review, that way coaches will be very selective when throwing a penalty challenge.

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[comochiefsfan]

Road teams haven't won a conference championship game in six years.

Yet somehow this year, when the home teams were small market KC and NO, the big market road teams, including the franchise in the new city that the NFL NEEDS to succeed, came away with wins.

Color me shocked, just shocked.

[cooper barrett]

Originally Posted by Lprechaun

I said it last night. ANY and all calls resulting in a first down should be reviewed from the league office. ANY and all plays should be challengable.
The more challenges coaches win the worse the refs look

15 hour long games?

Insert a clause in union contract:
X number infractions in a game or season may result in disciplinary action, up to and including immediate suspension or termination.

Haul an extra ref to games in case you need to fire one in the 3rd quarter. The guy who watches the balls could fill in.

You fire a couple of "Striped Shirts" mid game and let them find their way home and BS calls will improve. When he has to explain to his SO that he may have made his last call and that they may have to sell the house unless he can find another high paying part time gig.

I deal with 99% accuracy of corporate assets to be considered "effective" at my job, anything less than that and that portion (20%) of my bonus is eliminated making the remainder ever harder to reach. (98.9% is unacceptable) That is one of 5 matrix's I must succeed at to make the big bucks come bonus time.

There must be some system put in place that penalizes a ref who makes a "Roughing the passer" call due to a face mask infarction that he never saw happen. Did he just assume it happened or did he want it to be true in his head?

One way or another, That ref needs a high level coaching (up to and including termination) and his game wages donated to charity of affected team The refs for the Saint's game and the one mentioned above need to be demoted to some position where their actions cannot affect games. If not outright fired, slapped in the wallet, (fined and salary modification) put on the worst assignments next season or until they can prove they can do their job.

I always thought that there are 2 Striped Shirts on a play, that they would get it right... I have been corrected... As much as I dislike the Saint's coach Payton he is owed a Super Bowl by a ref who was a receiver (4 years) with 10 receptions and 122 yds in his NFL career. He refs for a real job making only rookie minimum in the NFL ($310,000 (2009), $395,000 (2010), $480,000 (2011) and $565,000 (2012))

So @wdsu photographer @am7photography all over "no call" play.

Look at this angle (and slow-mo shots that follow).

NFL down judge Patrick Turner clearly reaches for penalty flag on his waistband before signaling incomplete pass & telling side judge Gary Cavaletto "bang bang." pic.twitter.com/ky9ZhQp5Um

— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) January 21, 2019

If I was a Saints fan, I don't think either Turner nor Gary Cavaletto would have made it to the airplane without a tour of St Bernard's ER

[Lprechaun]

Originally Posted by cooper barrett

15 hour long games?

Insert a clause in union contract:
X number infractions in a game or season may result in disciplinary action, up to and including immediate suspension or termination.

Haul an extra ref to games in case you need to fire one in the 3rd quarter. The guy who watches the balls could fill in.

You fire a couple of "Striped Shirts" mid game and let them find their way home and BS calls will improve. When he has to explain to his SO that he may have made his last call and that they may have to sell the house unless he can find another high paying part time gig.

I deal with 99% accuracy of corporate assets to be considered "effective" at my job, anything less than that and that portion (20%) of my bonus is eliminated making the remainder ever harder to reach. (98.9% is unacceptable) That is one of 5 matrix's I must succeed at to make the big bucks come bonus time.

There must be some system put in place that penalizes a ref who makes a "Roughing the passer" call due to a face mask infarction that he never saw happen. Did he just assume it happened or did he want it to be true in his head?

One way or another, That ref needs a high level coaching (up to and including termination) and his game wages donated to charity of affected team The refs for the Saint's game and the one mentioned above need to be demoted to some position where their actions cannot affect games. If not outright fired, slapped in the wallet, (fined and salary modification) put on the worst assignments next season or until they can prove they can do their job.

So @wdsu photographer @am7photography all over "no call" play.

Look at this angle (and slow-mo shots that follow).

NFL down judge Patrick Turner clearly reaches for penalty flag on his waistband before signaling incomplete pass & telling side judge Gary Cavaletto "bang bang." pic.twitter.com/ky9ZhQp5Um

— Fletcher Mackel (@FletcherWDSU) January 21, 2019

If I was a Saints fan, I don't think either would have made it to the airplane without a stop by the local ER

We saw the replay in 3 seconds, it wouldnt add much time. The Pats had 4 DPI calls all year, that would have added less than 1 minute to their entire season of games. And yes each crew should have an official doing nothing but watching replays on penalties. A headset runs at what 200,000 miles per second? I dont care if the game is 5 hours long as long as the calls are correct

[Garcia Bronco]

There is a difference between a missed call and making up something that was not seen. That BS ruffing on Brady last night was the latter.

[lmccluer]

I thought a games were reviewed by a panel, and “grades” were being given out? I heard this two or three years ago now. Obviously, if this was the case. Officials from both playoff games yesterday would be a little embarrassed. But, everyone is correct. Something has to be done. That and how tied at the end of regulation time is handled. This can’t happen in this day and age, especially playoff games. A lot of money is spent on everything related to those games.


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[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by lmccluer

I thought a games were reviewed by a panel, and “grades” were being given out? I heard this two or three years ago now. Obviously, if this was the case. Officials from both playoff games yesterday would be a little embarrassed. But, everyone is correct. Something has to be done. That and how tied at the end of regulation time is handled. This can’t happen in this day and age, especially playoff games. A lot of money is spent on everything related to those games.


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Grades are given out but they are not public.

[GloucesterChief]

Originally Posted by Lprechaun

We saw the replay in 3 seconds, it wouldnt add much time. The Pats had 4 DPI calls all year, that would have added less than 1 minute to their entire season of games. And yes each crew should have an official doing nothing but watching replays on penalties. A headset runs at what 200,000 miles per second? I dont care if the game is 5 hours long as long as the calls are correct

Hell, college has a ref that reviews replays to call targeting fouls if the refs on the field missed them and it doesn't take much longer.

[smithandrew051]

I’d like to see refs be forced to face the media after games and explain themselves. That would be entertaining.