Chiefs Dear Andy, protect your quarterback. Signed, everyone. - Page 7

Wallcrawler · 01-17-2021, 08:26 PM

Andy Reid. Lot of ways to describe this man.

Innovator. Genius. Guru.

So how does a man deserving of these adjectives, who has coached for two decades plus, guiding now two separate franchises to host a hat trick of title games not understand that exposing the very reason your team transcends all others is UNFATHOMABLY stupid?

3rd n 1. Big bruising back in the game playing well. Best arm on the planet running the offense. Lets not hand it off though, let's call a designed run exposing our qb to a free shot that gets his head ripped off.

Why?

Mahomes isn't going to back off from the call, and the guy puts a bullseye on his back enough with his own scrambles down field. Its YOUR JOB to protect your quarterback.

Why the **** are you calling designed qb running plays? He was already dinged and limping around. You cannot honestly believe that THIS was the only way you could get one yard on this trash defense.

15 is the reason KC is favored in every contest.

15 covers MANY of your warts as a play caller and time manager.

15 is the guy who saved your coaching legacy, bringing you a championship that eluded you for years, because your other quarterbacks could not overcome your post season pant shitting.

Why you choose to put 15 in harms way intentionally is beyond any sane line of thinking. It isnt like you have an o line that can protect him. You have a former #1 and a bunch of JAGS up front trying their best to just not look like a reerun trying to **** a doorknob.

Every time he drops back, he has to run for his life already, so to just throw him into the teeth of the defense, intentionally, is simply unfathomably stupid.

Take a look at your incredible 3 point performance in the second half against the terrible Browns defense. That's how far an innovative, guru genius like you is going to get with Chad ****ing Henne.

So please. For all of us, pal.

Take care of your ****ing quarterback.

**Bearcat** · 01-19-2021, 10:23 AM

I get it to some extent... he's already going to be aggressive and scramble when needed and you may need him to run it in from the 1, the offensive line sucks and he may take a shot at any time,, etc.... so why not save him so to speak for those moments and not add another layer of risk with designed plays.

OTOH, I don't remember anyone complaining about QB sneaks until he got hurt, and now people act there's a 100% chance of him getting hurt if he does it again.... and now it'll be the same for those option plays, like he's turned into a china cabinet overnight because he's been injured and unavailable for all of like 3.5 games over 3 seasons.

Reid's won a SB and has now reached CG weekend for like the 14th time or something.... not sure how much I'd want him second guessing and using the 2nd best option and playing it safe. The added risk of +1 or 2 hits just isn't significant enough, and the fact that he got hurt once probably reduces the chances that it will keep happening (unlike popular belief here, which seems to be a low chance thing happening means it'll happen a 2nd and 3rd and 4th time).

htismaqe · 01-19-2021, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I get it to some extent... he's already going to be aggressive and scramble when needed and you may need him to run it in from the 1, the offensive line sucks and he may take a shot at any time,, etc.... so why not save him so to speak for those moments and not add another layer of risk with designed plays.

OTOH, I don't remember anyone complaining about QB sneaks until he got hurt, and now people act there's a 100% chance of him getting hurt if he does it again.... and now it'll be the same for those option plays, like he's turned into a china cabinet overnight because he's been injured and unavailable for all of like 3.5 games over 3 seasons.

Reid's won a SB and has now reached CG weekend for like the 14th time or something.... not sure how much I'd want him second guessing and using the 2nd best option and playing it safe. The added risk of +1 or 2 hits just isn't significant enough, and the fact that he got hurt once probably reduces the chances that it will keep happening (unlike popular belief here, which seems to be a low chance thing happening means it'll happen a 2nd and 3rd and 4th time).

**DaFace** · 01-19-2021, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I get it to some extent... he's already going to be aggressive and scramble when needed and you may need him to run it in from the 1, the offensive line sucks and he may take a shot at any time,, etc.... so why not save him so to speak for those moments and not add another layer of risk with designed plays.

OTOH, I don't remember anyone complaining about QB sneaks until he got hurt, and now people act there's a 100% chance of him getting hurt if he does it again.... and now it'll be the same for those option plays, like he's turned into a china cabinet overnight because he's been injured and unavailable for all of like 3.5 games over 3 seasons.

Reid's won a SB and has now reached CG weekend for like the 14th time or something.... not sure how much I'd want him second guessing and using the 2nd best option and playing it safe. The added risk of +1 or 2 hits just isn't significant enough, and the fact that he got hurt once probably reduces the chances that it will keep happening (unlike popular belief here, which seems to be a low chance thing happening means it'll happen a 2nd and 3rd and 4th time).

I'm honestly a little frustrated that the QB sneak has been completely removed from the playbook. I get it for a little while, but his knee is healed at this point. No reason to completely remove the play because of one weird fluke.

Of course, it's also possible that Andy has been setting it up to use a sneak in a key situation soon, so if that's the case, I'm on board.

GloryDayz · 01-19-2021, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

I get it to some extent... he's already going to be aggressive and scramble when needed and you may need him to run it in from the 1, the offensive line sucks and he may take a shot at any time,, etc.... so why not save him so to speak for those moments and not add another layer of risk with designed plays.

OTOH, I don't remember anyone complaining about QB sneaks until he got hurt, and now people act there's a 100% chance of him getting hurt if he does it again.... and now it'll be the same for those option plays, like he's turned into a china cabinet overnight because he's been injured and unavailable for all of like 3.5 games over 3 seasons.

Reid's won a SB and has now reached CG weekend for like the 14th time or something.... not sure how much I'd want him second guessing and using the 2nd best option and playing it safe. The added risk of +1 or 2 hits just isn't significant enough, and the fact that he got hurt once probably reduces the chances that it will keep happening (unlike popular belief here, which seems to be a low chance thing happening means it'll happen a 2nd and 3rd and 4th time).

Agree, quality post...

What Andy could be doing, and maybe he's trying and just not succeeding, is improve the O-line. It's strange to have a $500,000,000 asset PMII protected by an O-line like this.

htismaqe · 01-19-2021, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Agree, quality post...

What Andy could be doing, and maybe he's trying and just not succeeding, is improve the O-line. It's strange to have a $500,000,000 asset PMII protected by an O-line like this.

Fisher is the only guy that's started every game. Everybody else has missed time. Wylie has played 3 different positions, Remmers has played 2. Alligretti is 7th round draft pick.

They're in the AFCCG for the 3rd year in a row. They'll address to offensive line to be sure but it won't likely be the overhaul everybody wants.

O.city · 01-19-2021, 10:41 AM

I'm in the minority I guess but I wouldn't be upset if we squashed the option stuff or atleast very rarely used it.

Let Pat make plays with his legs and moving around to throw the ball, fine. But he's just too important to take the risks IMO. I understand both sides of the argument, but to me, I want him in the pocket as much as possible.

**DaFace** · 01-19-2021, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'm in the minority I guess but I wouldn't be upset if we squashed the option stuff or atleast very rarely used it.

Let Pat make plays with his legs and moving around to throw the ball, fine. But he's just too important to take the risks IMO. I understand both sides of the argument, but to me, I want him in the pocket as much as possible.

He's at his most deadly when he's out of the pocket. You can take away the option, but then what? Take away the scramble too?

I just think it's silly to believe you can keep him from getting hit sometimes. We've taken away the sneak. People want to take away the option now. Might as well remove the scramble. And then teams will just know he's gonna sit back there in the pocket, and he'll inevitably take a big hit back there and get hurt.

You just can't protect him in all situations.

htismaqe · 01-19-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

He's at his most deadly when he's out of the pocket. You can take away the option, but then what? Take away the scramble too?

I just think it's silly to believe you can keep him from getting hit sometimes. We've taken away the sneak. People want to take away the option now. Might as well remove the scramble. And then teams will just know he's gonna sit back there in the pocket, and he'll inevitably take a big hit back there and get hurt.

You just can't protect him in all situations.

Exactly.

GloryDayz · 01-19-2021, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Fisher is the only guy that's started every game. Everybody else has missed time. Wylie has played 3 different positions, Remmers has played 2. Alligretti is 7th round draft pick.

They're in the AFCCG for the 3rd year in a row. They'll address to offensive line to be sure but it won't likely be the overhaul everybody wants.

We keep hearing that, I hope it finally happens. I want PMII to play for a long, long, time.

htismaqe · 01-19-2021, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

We keep hearing that, I hope it finally happens. I want PMII to play for a long, long, time.

It's kind of hard to argue with what they're doing. 3 straight AFC championship games.

I get that people think the offensive line is more important than the Chiefs apparently do but I side with the Chiefs.

They should probably spend a couple of mid-to-late draft picks there this year - they haven't drafted anybody but Alligretti since 2016 in any round (Parker Ehringer in the 4th).

The Chiefs M.O. is to bargain shop in free agency. Just in the last 3 or 4 years you have Osemele, Wisnewski, Remmers, Rankin, Reiter, and Kilgore plus Wylie was a UDFA IIRC.

O.city · 01-19-2021, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace

He's at his most deadly when he's out of the pocket. You can take away the option, but then what? Take away the scramble too?

I just think it's silly to believe you can keep him from getting hit sometimes. We've taken away the sneak. People want to take away the option now. Might as well remove the scramble. And then teams will just know he's gonna sit back there in the pocket, and he'll inevitably take a big hit back there and get hurt.

You just can't protect him in all situations.

I agree, but it's all about minimizing said risk. When he's in the pocket, he's protected by the rules to a pretty crazy degree. His most value comes from him throwing the ball in the pocket, long term.

Once he's out running around, he's just susceptible to getting hit.

3 years in now, he's been hurt 3 times. He can't keep that up. It get it's a sport that injuries just happen in so there will always be a risk.

O.city · 01-19-2021, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's kind of hard to argue with what they're doing. 3 straight AFC championship games.

I get that people think the offensive line is more important than the Chiefs apparently do but I side with the Chiefs.

They should probably spend a couple of mid-to-late draft picks there this year - they haven't drafted anybody but Alligretti since 2016 in any round (Parker Ehringer in the 4th).

The Chiefs M.O. is to bargain shop in free agency. Just in the last 3 or 4 years you have Osemele, Wisnewski, Remmers, Rankin, Reiter, and Kilgore plus Wylie was a UDFA IIRC.

The Packers have went to 2 straight and you were arguing with waht they've done.

But for real, the OL needs some juice in the middle. It's just time. It's been slowly fading in there for a few years and theuy've patched it together. I'm not thrilled about giving a G spot to a guy who hasn't played in a year either.

htismaqe · 01-19-2021, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

The Packers have went to 2 straight and you were arguing with waht they've done.

But for real, the OL needs some juice in the middle. It's just time. It's been slowly fading in there for a few years and theuy've patched it together. I'm not thrilled about giving a G spot to a guy who hasn't played in a year either.

The Chiefs did make, and win, the Super Bowl last year.

The Packers haven't done that since 2009.

GloryDayz · 01-19-2021, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

It's kind of hard to argue with what they're doing. 3 straight AFC championship games.

I get that people think the offensive line is more important than the Chiefs apparently do but I side with the Chiefs.

They should probably spend a couple of mid-to-late draft picks there this year - they haven't drafted anybody but Alligretti since 2016 in any round (Parker Ehringer in the 4th).

The Chiefs M.O. is to bargain shop in free agency. Just in the last 3 or 4 years you have Osemele, Wisnewski, Remmers, Rankin, Reiter, and Kilgore plus Wylie was a UDFA IIRC.

Let's hope their bargain basement locks protect their most valuable asset for a long time to come. While it's a challenge to argue with success, I suspect we all know at the rate PMII is getting hurt he won't be playing into his mid 40s. Maybe that just comes with the type of player he is and less about the quality of the O-line. We'll see, time will tell which way they go and what the results end up being. To argue against my own desire for a stud O-line, I guess it doesn't much matter if your QB's nature is to get out of the pocket.

So, again, we'll see.

O.city · 01-19-2021, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

The Chiefs did make, and win, the Super Bowl last year.

The Packers haven't done that since 2009.

With a very highly paid OL too!

01-17-2021, 08:26 PM
Wallcrawler How tall is this thing? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Ground 0 for enema of US. Casino cash: $4292912	Dear Andy, protect your quarterback. Signed, everyone. Andy Reid. Lot of ways to describe this man. Innovator. Genius. Guru. So how does a man deserving of these adjectives, who has coached for two decades plus, guiding now two separate franchises to host a hat trick of title games not understand that exposing the very reason your team transcends all others is UNFATHOMABLY stupid? 3rd n 1. Big bruising back in the game playing well. Best arm on the planet running the offense. Lets not hand it off though, let's call a designed run exposing our qb to a free shot that gets his head ripped off. Why? Mahomes isn't going to back off from the call, and the guy puts a bullseye on his back enough with his own scrambles down field. Its YOUR JOB to protect your quarterback. Why the ** are you calling designed qb running plays? He was already dinged and limping around. You cannot honestly believe that THIS was the only way you could get one yard on this trash defense. 15 is the reason KC is favored in every contest. 15 covers MANY of your warts as a play caller and time manager. 15 is the guy who saved your coaching legacy, bringing you a championship that eluded you for years, because your other quarterbacks could not overcome your post season pant shitting. Why you choose to put 15 in harms way intentionally is beyond any sane line of thinking. It isnt like you have an o line that can protect him. You have a former #1 and a bunch of JAGS up front trying their best to just not look like a reerun trying to a doorknob. Every time he drops back, he has to run for his life already, so to just throw him into the teeth of the defense, intentionally, is simply unfathomably stupid. Take a look at your incredible 3 point performance in the second half against the terrible Browns defense. That's how far an innovative, guru genius like you is going to get with Chad ing Henne. So please. For all of us, pal. Take care of your **ing quarterback.
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01-19-2021, 10:23 AM	#91
Bearcat Would an idiot do that? Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arizona Casino cash: $2904931	I get it to some extent... he's already going to be aggressive and scramble when needed and you may need him to run it in from the 1, the offensive line sucks and he may take a shot at any time,, etc.... so why not save him so to speak for those moments and not add another layer of risk with designed plays. OTOH, I don't remember anyone complaining about QB sneaks until he got hurt, and now people act there's a 100% chance of him getting hurt if he does it again.... and now it'll be the same for those option plays, like he's turned into a china cabinet overnight because he's been injured and unavailable for all of like 3.5 games over 3 seasons. Reid's won a SB and has now reached CG weekend for like the 14th time or something.... not sure how much I'd want him second guessing and using the 2nd best option and playing it safe. The added risk of +1 or 2 hits just isn't significant enough, and the fact that he got hurt once probably reduces the chances that it will keep happening (unlike popular belief here, which seems to be a low chance thing happening means it'll happen a 2nd and 3rd and 4th time).
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01-19-2021, 10:41 AM	#96
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $2834064	I'm in the minority I guess but I wouldn't be upset if we squashed the option stuff or atleast very rarely used it. Let Pat make plays with his legs and moving around to throw the ball, fine. But he's just too important to take the risks IMO. I understand both sides of the argument, but to me, I want him in the pocket as much as possible.
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