Deshaun Watson is not a top 10 QB

[dlphg9]

Deshaun Watson is constantly getting praised as one of the best young QBs. Hell before the season people were saying he was 2nd best behind Mahomes. I'm here to tell you that he's not even in the top 10.

Deshaun Watson did have a bad GM in B.O.B, but he wasn't that bad as a coach. He always had the Texans respectable, but what he did to that franchise as a GM is senile. That doesn't mean he has to be the scape goat for every time Watson makes a mistake or can't close out a game. Watson was one of/if not the main reason for the playoff loss to the Chiefs. No elite QB is going to allow an opponent to run away with a game after being up 24-0. Another scape goat Watson has is his O line. He is terrible in the pocket and is the main reason for his high sack rate.

He has had success in his past seasons and it seems to me that a lot of that success was due to DeAndre Hopkins ability to catch everything that was anywhere close to him. He made that team so much better and was more important than Watson. Just look at this year what has happened in Houston. Hopkins got traded and the team literally fell apart and Watson has been absolute trash. Now how is he trash when he's on pace for 4800 yards and 34 TDs? He's a god damn garbage time all star, but he struts around like he's playing like an all pro and that his team is trash.

He has sucked shit in the 1st quarter all year and is one of the main reasons why his team is always playing from behind. In the 1st quarter of games this year he is

27/46, 58.7% comp, 285 yards, 1 TD, 13 1st down passes. That's in 7 ****ing games! Almost half a season and he's managed 1 passing TD and a measly 285 yds in the first quarter. Compare that to his 4th quarter stats when he can just throw it against a prevent defense when his team is down double digits. 50/74, 67.5% comp, 685 yds, 7 TDs, 2 Ints. These numbers would be elite and he'd be considered clutch if they'd would have won more than one game.

This is the score of all of his games this year going into the 4th quarter and a little of what transpires

KC - 24 - 7

Balt - 23 - 10

Pit - 20 - 21
Houston was up, but Watson threw an int during an 8 play 42 yd drive at the beginning of the 4th quarter and Pitt capitalized and scored the go ahead TD right after that. Watson gets the ball back down a TD, but he takes one of his patented sacks and goes 3 and out and never sees the ball again. With how great he's been in the 4th quarter this year and how elite he is you'd expect more than 45 yds and an int in the 4th, but he choked the game away.

Min - 24 - 16
Deshaun had a chance to tie the game, but couldn't punch it in when they had the ball with around a minute left 2nd down and 1 yard to go from the Minnesota 1. David Johnson tries to run it in and gets stuffed. Then on 3rd down Watson is running an option and gets scared of a big hit, so he tosses it to David and David doesn't catch it, but he recovers the fumble and it's a 4 yard loss. 4th and 5 gives Watson a chance to redeem himself, but he thinks DeAndre Hopkins is out there running a route and will bail out his shitty overthrown fade route. Not DeAndre does his best, but he can't overcome Watson's shit ball.

Jax - Houston's only win!

Ten -
Deshaun tries really hard, but for some dumb shit reason the Texans go up 7 with 1:53 left in the game and Romeo oh Romeo says "Hey Mr Clutch, go out there and get us 2 points, so this game is over" and Deshaun replies "no probs Romeo O'Brien, I mean Bill, I got this", but Mr. Clutch ain't so clutch and two point conv fails. Ten scores a TD, makes XP, gets ball in OT and drives down for a win.

GB - 28 - 7, but Deshaun tears that prevent up in the 4th and racks up those garbage time numbers to the tune of 100 yards and a TD. 72 and the TD of those yards came in one drive when it really mattered down 35 to 14 with 3:40 left in the game a 2 minute drive to make it a 2 score game. Real nail biter.

Deshaun ****ing sucks. He ain't shit. He got paid and will continually get talked as if he's some elite QB on a team devoid of talent because B.O.B ****ed the franchise. Watson is gonna hit free agency in a few years and get another huge deal because it's not his fault the team never gets above 8-8 again. He will be shitting the bed in the first year of his next deal and everyone will be wondering why Bill O' Brien and his offensive line are still preventing him from winning a game.

Eat shit DeBerg

[RunKC]

Watson needs coaching very badly. Things like his pocket roaming and footwork can absolutely be corrected.

Watson would be a much better QB here under Andy. Take a look at how out of control Patrick’s footwork was in his first preseason to the beginning of his 2nd year.

Watson has a career 100+ Rating playing out of control. If he gets a good coach with better weapons he can be very good.

But regardless of that, he’s still a top 10 QB.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Because outside of his injury problems, Wentz is still a smart, accurate QB for the most part.

Watson absolutely had Hopkins as a safety blanket. Just chuck it up there and let Hopkins take care of it. Without that, Watson becomes very ordinary. He needs a DK Metcalf guy out there.

Well, Wentz has plenty of purely boneheaded plays on his resumé as well, but overall yeah, Wentz is the more savvy QB to this point. And mostly Wentz is more consistently accurate.

Deshaun can be accurate, but he throws a lot of 'off-center' throws. I noticed it last season or the one before in a couple games where he inexplicably threw balls that DHop had to make some incredible athletic move just to catch what should've been a routine pitch and catch. A couple of them cost them TDs, because Hopkins had to either go back and get the pass, or he had to launch himself 5 yards and twist around to make a catch, that if those had hit him in the hands he would've walked into the EZ. And on the two I remember fairly well, he wasn't under pressure. He could've jsut set his feet and made a normal overhand throw 7 yards or 10 yards and "badda-bing!," touchdown. Instead, he tried some sidearm nonsense, and the ball required Hopkins to do some crazy shit just to catch it, so he got tackled or he was laying on the ground for the easy touch.

But more than that, I blame Billy for Watson's issues more than Watson. That offense was never good. It always looked choppy and inefficient. They shot themselves in the foot more often than not. And Watson spent way too many snaps reading through 4 receivers; where were the quick short throws to set up the longer ones? Why couldn't Billy ever scheme up some easy one or two read plays?

Again, if you gave Watson to Andy or Payton or some other QB guru, Watson would be a much better QB at this point, IMO. Billy did his best to not only ruin the team, he ruined his franchise QB as well.

[Chief Roundup]

WOW never go full dlphg9.

[DRM08]

He’s definitely Top 10. Let’s be honest here. Once you get past the very short list of elite QB’s (Wilson/Mahomes/Rodgers), a lot of the guys in Top 15 are pretty similar to each other.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

WOW never go full dlphg9.

Thanks for the discussion.

[dlphg9]

I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that a significant amount of people that have commented in this thread, but didn't read the OP. All you guys look at is the title and you disagree with it and decide to comment an emotionally fueled response that is backed with 0 evidence.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Thanks for the discussion.

Not worth any discussion. You are simply wrong about many of the points in your post.

[chiefzilla1501]

He's a decent qb and I think we'd be happy to have him if not mahomes. But Ive always wondered how he'd look without the DeAndre Hopkins jumpball. Hasn't been great so far.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He's a decent qb and I think we'd be happy to have him if not mahomes. But Ive always wondered how he'd look without the DeAndre Hopkins jumpball. Hasn't been great so far.

Like Brady without Gronk last year. Not so good.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

I don't know for sure, but I'd be willing to bet that a significant amount of people that have commented in this thread, but didn't read the OP. All you guys look at is the title and you disagree with it and decide to comment an emotionally fueled response that is backed with 0 evidence.

List the 10 NFL QB’s you would currently take ahead of Watson.

Obviously Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and I’ll throw Tom Brady in there as well.

Who else?

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

List the 10 NFL QB’s you would currently take ahead of Watson.

Obviously Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and I’ll throw Tom Brady in there as well.

Who else?

Big Ben.

[Red Dawg]

Tyler Murray.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Big Ben.

I’d take Watson over a 38 year old Rapelithsberger.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DRM08

He’s definitely Top 10. Let’s be honest here. Once you get past the very short list of elite QB’s (Wilson/Mahomes/Rodgers), a lot of the guys in Top 15 are pretty similar to each other.

This is true. A few really good QB's and a whole lot of meh.

[St. Patty's Fire]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

List the 10 NFL QB’s you would currently take ahead of Watson.

Obviously Mahomes, Russell Wilson, Aaron Rodgers and I’ll throw Tom Brady in there as well.

Who else?

Me, personally: Kyler and Wentz. Then we get into the arguable range. The likes of Allen, Lamar, Stafford, Prescott, Big Ben, Jimmy G, Tannehill, etc. I'd take Watson over most of those guys at this point myself, but I could understand if someone thinks that like Dak or Lamar are better. Then there are players like Burrow and Herbert who are less proven, but may eclipse him in the somewhat near future. Burrow is pretty close.

Listing it out, I think he's top-10, even if he's a bit more topsy turvy than some of the other guys on this list. I'd get it if someone else picks a bunch of these QBs over him, though.