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Old 11-07-2018, 01:48 PM  
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:56 PM   #151
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Shocking that he was fired. If Mueller doesn't release his report pretty much immediately, he's an idiot. Can't see him surviving long, and it wasn't hard to see this coming.
Mueller can only provide it to the AG. It's up to the AG to decide what to do with it unless, as I mentioned earlier, Mueller just indicted Trump outright (even if he knows it won't stand up to Constitutional scrutiny). It would certainly allow Mueller and his team to blow it all up.
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:57 PM   #152
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:57 PM   #153
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It's politics. If he fires him it hurts him politically. Doing it now doesn't hurt him politically.

And you acting like Trump humiliating people is some kind of special skill? He's an unstable ass. The fact that he restrained himself this long is actually a surprising display that I didn't think he could pull off.
I understand the politics. This discussion grew out of someone claiming that this is standard procedure. What Trump did to Sessions is not.

I'm rather sure that someone coached Trump into not acting until the midterms were over, sure.
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:57 PM   #154
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This is a real Dexter McCluster delayed handoff up the middle move on Trump's part...

Probably doesn't result in anything bad, but certainly doesn't help.
This serves dual purposes. One, Trump needs a strong AG for the incoming Democrat House. Two, Trump is baiting the Democrats to start up impeachment talks.
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Old 11-07-2018, 04:58 PM   #155
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Odd indeed, many people cited (both Democrat and Republican) in Rosenstein’s letter said Comey’s incompetent as director. Of course, you disagree with their assessment.
No, I think Comey made numerous mistakes, either intentionally or not. That doesn't change what Trump told the Russians in the Oval Office.
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Add Sessions and Rosenstein? Based on what?
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This serves dual purposes. One, Trump needs a strong AG for the incoming Democrat House. Two, Trump is baiting the Democrats to start up impeachment talks.
I sometimes think Trump is playing the 4D chess but in this case I doubt it, but maybe I'm wrong.

The fact that he didn't just up Rosenstein I think tells us what we need to know but then again Rosenstein is a bit of weasel so who knows.
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Old 11-07-2018, 05:03 PM   #158
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It's politics. If he fires him it hurts him politically. Doing it now doesn't hurt him politically.

And you acting like Trump humiliating people is some kind of special skill? He's an unstable ass. The fact that he restrained himself this long is actually a surprising display that I didn't think he could pull off.

Guaranteed that he and the Republican leaders on the hill worked this deal out months ago. "Let's just get through the mid-terms and then you can fire him."
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Guaranteed that he and the Republican leaders on the hill worked this deal out months ago. "Let's just get through the mid-terms and then you can fire him."
Probably correct. Lindsey already jockying for the job and expressing zero outrage.

Somewhere Adam Schiff weeps...
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I sometimes think Trump is playing the 4D chess but in this case I doubt it, but maybe I'm wrong.

The fact that he didn't just up Rosenstein I think tells us what we need to know but then again Rosenstein is a bit of weasel so who knows.
Think this is based on a couple things 1) he wanted a strong AG and 2) the Republicans gained a few seats in the Senate so the odds of getting a new AG through go up. He can lose a few holdouts, the election is a long ways a way so there will not be pressure on the Republicans to vote against a nomination.
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Old 11-07-2018, 05:05 PM   #162
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I don't get why you put any of this on Trump.

"RUSSIA!!!" started before Sessions took his spot. He should have never accepted the post without being certain that he wouldn't do something as stupid as recusing himself from the first probe on the list. And, once he did put the president in the position of having an impotent AG to start his term, he should have immediately apologized and resigned. By staying on, he completely screwed Trump, who was not in a strong enough position at the start to just jettison Sessions without there being an internal Republican uprising.

If we're looking to blame Trump for personnel isues, we've got plenty of ammo. Blame him for bringing Amarosa into the White House, for example. That was always a disaster waiting to happen.
I'm frustrated that he allowed it to poison the well. The recusal didn't create an 'impotent AG' for 99% of the things he'd be tasked with. And ultimately I'm not sure what difference him being there or not being there would've made for precisely the reasons you stated - if Trump's not strong enough to jettison Sessions, Sessions wouldn't have been ensconced enough to forcefully direct that investigation. Moreover, the mere appearance of potential impropriety would've created even more political blowback for Trump.

I think Trump should've expressed his frustration to Sessions, recognized that it probably won't make a difference and there are ways it could have the recusal could've actually helped him, and gone about getting on the same page with his AG rather than publicly shooting barbs at him.
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Probably correct. Lindsey already jockying for the job and expressing zero outrage.

Somewhere Adam Schiff weeps...
Graham has openly stated that he doesn't want the gig. He could have been lying, but he has to know that the job of Trump's AG is a far shorter term thing than his all-but-lifetime gig as one of his state's senators.
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I'm frustrated that he allowed it to poison the well. The recusal didn't create an 'impotent AG' for 99% of the things he'd be tasked with. And ultimately I'm not sure what difference him being there or not being there would've made for precisely the reasons you stated - if Trump's not strong enough to jettison Sessions, Sessions wouldn't have been ensconced enough to forcefully direct that investigation. Moreover, the mere appearance of potential impropriety would've created even more political blowback for Trump.

I think Trump should've expressed his frustration to Sessions, recognized that it probably won't make a difference and there are ways it could have the recusal could've actually helped him, and gone about getting on the same page with his AG rather than publicly shooting barbs at him.
The well was poisoned from the very instant of the recusal, and said poisoning was a direct result of Session's actions, not Trump's. I'm not sure why you're missing that. This isn't even a close call. There was no way to trust Sessions in the political foxhole after this happened. Any president would have been looking to get rid of him. Sessions only survived as long as he did because of the uniqueness of Trump's situation, not in spite of it.
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I sometimes think Trump is playing the 4D chess but in this case I doubt it, but maybe I'm wrong.

The fact that he didn't just up Rosenstein I think tells us what we need to know but then again Rosenstein is a bit of weasel so who knows.
Rosenstein is already out of the way and not in charge of Mueller anymore. He’s a nobody now.
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