**** OFFICIAL College Football Week 12 Game Thread ****

[DaKCMan AP]

All times EST.

Wednesday
8:00 Ohio at Ball State - ESPNU
9:00 Toledo at Northern Illinois - ESPN2

Thursday
7:30 North Carolina at Virginia - ESPN

Friday
8:00 Florida International at Florida Atlantic - ESPNU
9:30 Hawaii at Air Force - ESPN2

Saturday
12:00 #10 Florida State at Maryland - ESPNU
12:00 Iowa at #21 Michigan - ESPN
12:00 #22 Rutgers at Cincinnati - BigEN
12:00 Northwestern at Michigan State - ESPN2
12:00 Kent State at Bowling Green - ESPN3
12:00 UCF at Tulsa
12:00 Indiana at Penn State
12:00 Houston at Marshall
12:00 Temple at Army - CBSSN
12:21 Western Carolina at #4 Alabama - SECN
12:21 Arkansas at Mississippi State - SECN
12:30 Virginia Tech at Boston College - ACCN
1:00 Jacksonville State at #6 Florida - ESPN3
1:00 Wofford at #9 South Carolina - ESPN3
1:00 Miami (OH) at Central Michigan
1:30 Georgia Southern at #5 Georgia - ESPN3
1:30 #25 Washington at Colorado - FX
2:00 Alabama A&M at Auburn - ESPN3
2:00 Memphis at UAB
2:00 Eastern Michigan at Western Michigan
3:00 Washington State at Arizona State - PAC12N
3:00 Buffalo at Massachusetts
3:00 South Florida at Miami
3:05 #18 USC at #17 UCLA - FOX
3:30 Wake Forest at #3 Notre Dame - NBC
3:30 Ole Miss at #7 LSU - CBS
3:30 Sam Houston State at #8 Texas A&M - ESPN3
3:30 NC State at #11 Clemson - ABC/ESPN2
3:30 Minnesota at #14 Nebraska - Big10N
3:30 #23 Texas Tech at #24 Oklahoma State
3:30 Duke at Georgia Tech - ESPNU
3:30 Colorado State at Boise State - NBCSN
3:30 Nevada at New Mexico
3:30 ohio state at Wisconsin - ABC/ESPN2
3:30 Purdue at Illinois - Big10N
3:30 Texas State at Navy - CBSSN
4:00 Utah State at #20 Louisiana Tech - ESPN3
7:00 #12 Oklahoma at West Virginia - FOX
7:00 Syracuse at Missouri - ESPNU
7:00 Tennessee at Vanderbilt - ESPN2
7:00 Western Kentucky at Louisiana-Lafayette - ESPN3
7:00 Iowa State at Kansas
7:30 Samford at Kentucky
8:00 #1 Kansas State at Baylor - ESPN
8:00 #13 Stanford at #2 Oregon - ABC
8:00 UTEP at Southern Miss - CBSSN
10:00 Arizona at Utah - ESPNU
10:30 California at #16 Oregon State - Pac12N
10:30 BYU at San Jose State - ESPN2

Enjoy the games!

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by LoneWolf

The defense had nothing to do with it you moron. Do you even watch the games? Notre Dame is playing with a redshirt Freshman QB who has made plenty of mistakes that have kept teams in games. There is no denying that ND's defense is one of the best in the country. The stats and the eye test both attest to this.

You calling me a prick is almost as insulting as if Mark Mangino called me fat.

How the **** does the defense have nothing to do with it? That's complete and utter bullshit. It's a team sport dude. ND won by 3 points in all three of those games. If your defense is good, they don't let lesser teams score. Simple as that.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

As I said, it must be nice to dream. I don't think anybody legitimately believes ND will beat Alabama right now except ND fans.

BTW, you spent all of last week telling me the SEC wasn't the best conference in the country by far. Do you really still believe that?

Yes I still believe that. I said they are the best conference. Does Oregon losing to a ranked Stanford team change anything in the SEC? K-State played a terrible game, but they still have the same record as Alabama. Alabama has beaten LSU and who else? Georgia lost by 28 points. So you tell me, why are they ranked as high as they are?

For a KU fan to continually pimp the SEC is completely dumbfounding.

[Spott]

Gonna be a little humorous when everyone has one loss after next week and Ohio St will be the only undefeated team and possible the AP #1.

[tk13]

ESPN's BCS guru thinks it'll be ND/Alabama/Georgia/Florida/Oregon in the top 5 tomorrow. K-State falls out of the top 5.

[Spott]

Originally Posted by tk13

ESPN's BCS guru thinks it'll be ND/Alabama/Georgia/Florida/Oregon in the top 5 tomorrow. K-State falls out of the top 5.

Florida is way overrated. Their offense is terrible and they will get blown out by FSU next week.

[The Franchise]

Funny.....I've never said that ND would go out destroy Alabama. Golson is getting better as the year goes on though.....and I don't give a **** how we won the games.....we still won them.

That being said.....we still need to beat USC next week.

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

How the **** does the defense have nothing to do with it? That's complete and utter bullshit. It's a team sport dude. ND won by 3 points in all three of those games. If your defense is good, they don't let lesser teams score. Simple as that.

The Irish have allowed over 14 points twice all season. By your logic, every good team should shut out every bad team they play. Jesus, watch the games and then come back and talk smack.

[KC_Connection]

For a KU fan to continually pimp the SEC is completely dumbfounding.

I don't see it that way. Being a KU fan has given me an opportunity over the last five years to watch a lot of college football other than KU and the B12 conference. I've realized that the SEC is vastly superior to it and every other one. Even with everyone's obvious biases here, I'm still not sure why this isn't plainly obvious.

It's the strength of the conference that makes Alabama rated as high as they are (and they deserve the credit for playing through the tougher schedule).

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Coach

Number one, let me apologize to you personally on here that I was attacking the "wrong" person. You were not the intended target, as I realized the user name had me mixed up. So my bad.

No problem. It happens to everyone.

Numbe two, the SEC/SEC matchup last year was a awful snoozer game last year, and I was not interested in seeing the SEC/SEC matchup. Sorry, if you don't win your conference championship game, you shouldn't be in. Just how I feel.

Fair enough. I don't see it that way (I think that even if the best two teams are in one conference, you should still go with them regardless), but I get that perspective (of wanting to have two "winners" there).

[notorious]

Damn, next year's format can't come soon enough.


Of course, with next year's format, Oregon's loss wouldn't have near the impact it does this year.......

[LoneWolf]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

I don't see it that way. Being a KU fan has given me an opportunity over the last five years to watch a lot of college football other than KU and the B12 conference. I've realized that the SEC is vastly superior to it and every other one. Even with everyone's obvious biases here, I'm still not sure why this isn't plainly obvious.

It's the strength of the conference that makes Alabama rated as high as they are (and they deserve the credit for playing through the tougher schedule).

If they had played all of the other "tough" teams in the SEC I would totally agree with you. They have played LSU (probably should have lost, but they won and thats all that matters) and Texas A&M (lost). They haven't had to play Georgia, Florida, or South Carolina. If you have watched Alabama against LSU and TA&M, you have to admit that they aren't dominant as everyone thought they were earlier in the season. Their defense can be exploited on the back end if the other team can protect their QB. McCarron has played well, but in the big games has looked shaky (not withstanding the final drive against LSU).

I have conceded that the SEC is the best conference in college footall. I just don't see the "head and shoulders" part of it. All of the top teams have flaws and I think they get more credit than deserved based on past performance.

[tk13]

I just cannot understand how you can knock Alabama for playing a tough game against LSU, and not knock Notre Dame for playing a tough game against Pittsburgh.

[RealSNR]

What the hell are people arguing about?

If Notre Dame and all those SEC teams win next week, it will be Notre Dame and Alabama in the championship game. And it's not even close.

What are we even debating here?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by KC_Connection

No problem. It happens to everyone.


Fair enough. I don't see it that way (I think that even if the best two teams are in one conference, you should still go with them regardless), but I get that perspective (of wanting to have two "winners" there).

I just honestly think the SEC in general, while they say is a good conference, and I'm not disputing that, I just have an issue of bias being involved because of Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and South Carolina being all log-jammed in the middle.

The SEC has mastered the art of manipulating the polls.

It also goes a long way with the perception that they are the toughest conference - play high-profile conference games opening weekend and impress pollsters while everyone else is playing patsies, for the most part. The winners of their difficult early conference games end up in the top 10, like, every year.

Either way, I just have no desire to see a SEC/SEC match-up at all.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by SNR

What the hell are people arguing about?

If Notre Dame and all those SEC teams win next week, it will be Notre Dame and Alabama in the championship game. And it's not even close.

What are we even debating here?

What happens when Matt Barkley comes out like Willis Reed next week and throws 4 TDs with his left arm to win the game.