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Old 02-11-2019, 11:34 PM  
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Lying Trump

One of the most pernicious parts of trump's presidency, is how much he and SHS lie to the american people.

Our leaders are lying to us every day.

I realize, that all politicians spin, tell their side, obfuscate, and sometimes outright lie. For example, when President Obama said 'if you like your health plan you can keep your doctor' that was a far too ambitious promise, based on the grandfather clause of Obamacare, that turned out not to be true for many Americans.

But trump's lying isn't that - he just lies all the time, he's completely unmoored from the truth.

Some examples from the last few days:
- He lied about attendance at his rally. His rally had 6500 attendees, and Beto's had 10-15k, he lied and said he had 35k and Beto had a few hundred
- In his speech he lied and said he's built a lot of the wall
- He lied again about the human trafficking at the southern border, going once more to the completely made up bit about traffickers driving gagged women through the desert
- He lied and said just 2% of people show up for immigration court (even anti-immigration groups say it's well over 50%, and for asylum seekers it's >90%)
- He lied and said that democrats want open borders
- He lied and said Northam supports "a newborn baby [coming] out into the world, and wrap the baby, make the baby comfortable, & then talk to the mother & talk to the father and then execute the baby. Execute the baby!"

I see his lies every day on here, parroted by the trumpers, either because they want to believe them, they find them convenient to believe, they prefer to spread the lie because they think that's good, or they're too stupid to know the difference.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:40 AM   #31
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All lies aren’t the same, so this seems wrong.

BTW, it would be nice if you could at least acknowledge lies spread through the mainstream media about this administration, if not find them at least as concerning as Trump’s crowd size boasts. But TDS. (And no, I’m not going to give you more examples).
We hold the POTUS and the media to the same standard now?

The bar just keeps getting lower and lower.

You guys will be thrilled when the next Dem president is a liberal version of Trump.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:43 AM   #32
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All lies aren’t the same, so this seems wrong.

BTW, it would be nice if you could at least acknowledge lies spread through the mainstream media about this administration, if not find them at least as concerning as Trump’s crowd size boasts. But TDS. (And no, I’m not going to give you more examples).
They are all falsehoods. Some just happen to be more important than others. For example, "there was no Holocaust" versus "My inauguration crowd was the largest in history."

I've called out the media about Trump being and acting like a racist. But, they are so conditioned that they probably don't think they are lying. Could be the same for Trump.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:47 AM   #33
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We hold the POTUS and the media to the same standard now?

The bar just keeps getting lower and lower.

You guys will be thrilled when the next Dem president is a liberal version of Trump.
The standard for what constitutes a lie has nothing to do with the status of the liar. The egregiousness of a lie is based on all the circumstances. A lie by a nationally distributed media figure aimed at overturning our election is worse than a lie from the President about his rally crowd size.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:49 AM   #34
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Of all the lies listed I can't think of any that impacted people even close to what Obama's lie about healthcare has.

You can argue that many of Trump's lies come from ignorance. Obama knew he was lying.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:50 AM   #35
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Why would I be pissed about you proving me correct, Bitch?



Sure, go ahead and post away. It would be funny to identify those who are just as wrong as you were and are.

It’s the only time in 6 years I’ve ever been popular here.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:52 AM   #36
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It’s the only time in 6 years I’ve ever been popular here.
Poor Bitch. I'd like to say that that saddens me, but who'd believe that.



You're quite universally loathed, it seems, so in a way, you're popular.
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Old 02-12-2019, 11:54 AM   #37
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It’s the only time in 6 years I’ve ever been popular here.
You’re no Loneiguana. You may have some pretty screwed up takes, but at least you aren’t a moron.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:00 PM   #38
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Just look at a lot of his supporters. Pathological liars like BEP and TaQo. Got Pete up in this thread lying.

There's NO question as to why Trump is able to lie so much without being held accountable.

Some of his biggest fanatics are pathological liars.
Every time I open up ChifsPlanet there you are acting like you are still 12. Get a life man. Nobody cares what an entitled, angry Marxist Millennial thinks.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:36 PM   #39
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Every time I open up ChifsPlanet there you are acting like you are still 12. Get a life man. Nobody cares what an entitled, angry Marxist Millennial thinks.
Don't think i singled you out. Are you a liar or something? Because those i've labeled as liars i've proven to be liars. Repeated offenders. When you have fanatics that are pathological liars...well...it's understandable why another pathological liar gets so much slack.
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Old 02-12-2019, 12:45 PM   #40
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Don't think i singled you out. Are you a liar or something? Because those i've labeled as liars i've proven to be liars. Repeated offenders. When you have fanatics that are pathological liars...well...it's understandable why another pathological liar gets so much slack.
Obviously Obama didn't let you keep your mental health Dr.
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Old 02-12-2019, 02:21 PM   #41
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Sorry RodeoPants, your thread title sucked compared to the HuffPuff headline...

"Carnival of Lies"

I expect better next time...you need to make it sound more dramatic.
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Old 02-12-2019, 03:02 PM   #42
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Sorry RodeoPants, your thread title sucked compared to the HuffPuff headline...

"Carnival of Lies"

I expect better next time...you need to make it sound more dramatic.
Thanks for the feedback!

They are professional writers, and I am not.
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Thanks for the feedback!

They are professional writers, and I am not.
You do pretty well as an amateur.
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The point here is not actually to focus on one single lie, nor argue that the "real" problem is lying about crowd size (although lying about crowd size is for insecure children).

The real problem is the lying about everything. The real problem is the the president appears incapable of being honest. The real problem is that the american people are being lied to every single day.

trump lies all the time about everything, that's the problem.
Obama pretty much every speech mischaracterized his opponents and created straw man to knock down.
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