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Old 02-01-2019, 05:14 PM  
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Fox News Poll: 54% of Republicans, 70% of all voters support raising taxes on $10m+

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Republicans are less sure where the sweet spot is for tax hikes. A majority of 59 percent opposes tax hikes on incomes over $250,000, while a 54 percent majority favors increases on incomes over $10 million. For incomes over $1 million, GOP views split: 47 favor vs. 43 oppose.
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Old 02-03-2019, 06:54 AM   #16
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So in essence, work hard and succeed, and we will cut your hands off? Punish people because they were smart enough to play the game and win? Unless I am misunderstanding this, sign me up as a no thanks.
At $10m+.... Many of these people are benefitting a shitload off of government. Many use under the table political deals that basically use taxpayer money to grow their own earnings. And lord knows how much of this is being held offshore... Imagine if their actual worth was taxed. And most of these taxes aren't paid anyway thanks to creative accountants.

I don't think an across the board tax increase on the rich solves anything. Basically creates more taxes they can avoid. But for the super rich... Yeah, let's save the pity party. We should be collecting a shitload of "fair share", taxes than we actually do.
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Old 02-03-2019, 07:57 AM   #17
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Old 02-03-2019, 08:34 AM   #18
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:21 AM   #19
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At $10m+.... Many of these people are benefitting a shitload off of government. Many use under the table political deals that basically use taxpayer money to grow their own earnings. And lord knows how much of this is being held offshore... Imagine if their actual worth was taxed. And most of these taxes aren't paid anyway thanks to creative accountants.

I don't think an across the board tax increase on the rich solves anything. Basically creates more taxes they can avoid. But for the super rich... Yeah, let's save the pity party. We should be collecting a shitload of "fair share", taxes than we actually do.
The super rich and the super poor both benefit a shitload off the government. I would even argue the super poor benefit much, much more. The poor are a net loss to the system. They contribute nothing (or close to it) and suck a gob out of it. Since both groups benefit from the system, shouldn't we gouge both of them?

I know I'm in the minority when it comes to the "should we bleed the rich guy dry" debate, but I will never understand it. People have GOT to someday realize, we have a spending problem, NOT a revenue problem. Don't they?
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Old 02-03-2019, 09:40 AM   #20
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At $10m+.... Many of these people are benefitting a shitload off of government. Many use under the table political deals that basically use taxpayer money to grow their own earnings. And lord knows how much of this is being held offshore... Imagine if their actual worth was taxed. And most of these taxes aren't paid anyway thanks to creative accountants.

I don't think an across the board tax increase on the rich solves anything. Basically creates more taxes they can avoid. But for the super rich... Yeah, let's save the pity party. We should be collecting a shitload of "fair share", taxes than we actually do.
Ridiculous argument above... the top 1% pay more than the bottom 90% combined in taxes. Now the left wants to tax their wealth, which has already been taxed, on an annual basis. This won't crush the economy at all...
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Old 02-03-2019, 10:39 AM   #21
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At $10m+.... Many of these people are benefitting a shitload off of government. Many use under the table political deals that basically use taxpayer money to grow their own earnings. And lord knows how much of this is being held offshore... Imagine if their actual worth was taxed. And most of these taxes aren't paid anyway thanks to creative accountants.

I don't think an across the board tax increase on the rich solves anything. Basically creates more taxes they can avoid. But for the super rich... Yeah, let's save the pity party. We should be collecting a shitload of "fair share", taxes than we actually do.

The stupidity of you people who lust after the gains of people with great success is truly amazing.

You apply this odd logic that somehow you shall be the arbiter of who has more than they need and capriciously confiscate that what you covet. You have no more claim on a rich mans cash than a homeless man has on the spare bedroom in your home. You will take from someone well off but you offer none of your excess to anyone. And You sneer at the tax structure while saving every receipt to deduct from your taxes and crave new breaks for yourself.

Your "fair share" all good and well when you are selling your version of income confiscation to the less wealthy and sounds good and pure as a campaign throw away line. But under that is just one more example of the lefts insatiable hunger for government control of all things. Because you know better.....
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Old 02-03-2019, 10:55 AM   #22
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Just go 10% flat on income tax. Have the government operate within that revenue. Make cuts to spending. Get government back to operating within it's principle role.

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Old 02-03-2019, 11:00 AM   #23
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hmm.. cut your hands off? im pretty sure they will still be able to afford ANYTHing they want too! Im pretty indifferent on this, but to say its going to hurt the very rich. not really! not at all! not one bit!
For clarification, I was speaking symbolically there. Hands being what one uses to hold on to something. I should get away from trying to do that. I'm a pretty simple man. I know what I mean, but I think I do a piss poor job of conveying it in words.
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Old 02-03-2019, 11:01 AM   #24
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The stupidity of you people who lust after the gains of people with great success is truly amazing.

You apply this odd logic that somehow you shall be the arbiter of who has more than they need and capriciously confiscate that what you covet. You have no more claim on a rich mans cash than a homeless man has on the spare bedroom in your home. You will take from someone well off but you offer none of your excess to anyone. And You sneer at the tax structure while saving every receipt to deduct from your taxes and crave new breaks for yourself.

Your "fair share" all good and well when you are selling your version of income confiscation to the less wealthy and sounds good and pure as a campaign throw away line. But under that is just one more example of the lefts insatiable hunger for government control of all things. Because you know better.....
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Old 02-03-2019, 11:10 AM   #25
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Just go 10% flat on income tax. Have the government operate within that revenue. Make cuts to spending. Get government back to operating within it's principle role.

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Yup. A flat tax (the actual percentage can be debated) and MASSIVE cuts to government spending solves this whole problem. But, it's a bitter pill to swallow when you are a politician using taxpayer money to buy future votes. The majority of voters are on the "gimme" side of the line. It kinda creates a vacuum effect from the lesser populated side of the line, the givers.

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The stupidity of you people who lust after the gains of people with great success is truly amazing.

You apply this odd logic that somehow you shall be the arbiter of who has more than they need and capriciously confiscate that what you covet. You have no more claim on a rich mans cash than a homeless man has on the spare bedroom in your home. You will take from someone well off but you offer none of your excess to anyone. And You sneer at the tax structure while saving every receipt to deduct from your taxes and crave new breaks for yourself.

Your "fair share" all good and well when you are selling your version of income confiscation to the less wealthy and sounds good and pure as a campaign throw away line. But under that is just one more example of the lefts insatiable hunger for government control of all things. Because you know better.....
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Old 02-03-2019, 11:36 AM   #27
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Fox News polls have been wrong before. Afterall, they are controlled opposition for the NWO/Globalist crowd especially when these scumbags need our military to take down another govt to fit into their goals.
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Old 02-03-2019, 11:47 AM   #28
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Nothing Newójust recycled communism

That the wealthy are the few is really NOTHING new. Wealth has always been gained by the few either through talent, brains, ambition, graft, govt connections or luck.

Furthermore, wealthy people are able to become wealthier as they’re able to invest almost all of their net worth.

Most average folks earn a fixed salary and have to spend almost all of it (if not more) on living expenses which leaves little capital left over to invest. Most have little time left over to start a business, or learn new skills that could lead to higher income. Some manage to do so and climb up the ranks and become part of the wealthier classes by sacrifice, risk and smarts or talent.

The main danger to the average folks and the poor is when govt created inflation creeps in and jacks-up the cost of living. This happens when govts establish central banks of their own or when wealthy get into govt and use these connections to become central bankers both of which inflate the money supply which increases the value of the wealthy's assets and who are also more able to borrow money which they get to pay back in cheaper dollars. So wealthiest can keep reinvesting and compounding their gains. This same type of system, reduces the ability of average folks to save money to invest. Investment overall increases jobs this way.
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The problem is you can't just shake down the rich to fund your policies. The most effective taxes are consumption based, sales taxes.

The other issue is the system is set up to reward ownership as opposed to rewarding labor. The wealthy can make more on just passive income doing relatively nothing, while someone can work there whole life and not own anything.

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The stupidity of you people who lust after the gains of people with great success is truly amazing.

You apply this odd logic that somehow you shall be the arbiter of who has more than they need and capriciously confiscate that what you covet. You have no more claim on a rich mans cash than a homeless man has on the spare bedroom in your home. You will take from someone well off but you offer none of your excess to anyone. And You sneer at the tax structure while saving every receipt to deduct from your taxes and crave new breaks for yourself.

Your "fair share" all good and well when you are selling your version of income confiscation to the less wealthy and sounds good and pure as a campaign throw away line. But under that is just one more example of the lefts insatiable hunger for government control of all things. Because you know better.....
Good grief you're the biggest apologist for the super rich I've ever seen. This isn't about an almost millionaire who sweated his way to income that's then taxed. This is about the super rich. And spare me the "you just want more government." I want to collect more tax revenue to pay down our exploding debt, not to grow government programs. I want executive compensation fixed because executives rewarded for bad performance destroy the economy (and everyone, including the rich, benefits when the economy blossoms). And just because the super rich don't use welfare, doesn't mean they aren't substantial consumers of public resources. In fact, much of their wealth is highly dependent on it. Everything from the land they use to the maintained and plowed public roads that get their workers to travel to work. The average stadium deal is a blatant example of how much billionaires profit off of cheating the average taxpayer through crooked public deals. And last time I checked you want to take my tax money to build an expensive wall and fund a massively expensive defense program.

That's nuts to compare an average Joe taking a mortgage deduction (which was created to incentivize homebuying behavior) to a billionaire who purposely evades taxes by moving a high % of wealth offshore, much of that either borderline or completely illegal but overlooked. I wonder how they'd feel if we negotiated fair public deals where a person/corporation receives a substantially discounted public deal or access to significant public resources brokered through a crooked politician. It's estimated that we have trillions more to go... that's offshore alone.

I thought the "right wing" was about paying down the debt, eliminating crony capitalism and draining the swamp, and an America-first job strategy. But god forbid any of this come at the expense of taking away HANDOUTS to the super rich who've gamed the system for decades at the taxpayer expense.
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