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Hey, Democrats, I've lived in a socialist country with income 'equality' and it sucks
Hey, Democrats, I've lived in a socialist country with income 'equality' and it was miserable
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Indeed. And, in the next 30 or so years - it WILL infect this country and take it down. It will make the former USSR look like a Sunday school picnic. |
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The problem with a welfare state is spending must continually increase because number of people in it will continually increase & it becomes less efficient over time as all government controlled entities do. When the economy stops growing it implodes. Welfare spending adjusted for inflation is about 10x what it was in the 60's yet the numbers of poor remain the same. See attachment.
Those "thriving" Nordic countries are already starting to show some of the downfalls of "democratic" socialism. For example: 1. Sweden's welfare state is already under danger of imploding due to high taxes and migration. In 2017 economic growth was practically nil despite negative interest rates. Migration and crime are quickly becoming problems: https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/09/05...welfare-state/ 2. Scandinavians in america do better than scandinavians in scandinavia. There's something to be said for the work ethic. Danish Americans have 55 percent higher living standard than Danes. Swedish Americans have a 53 percent higher living standard than Swedes. Even though Norwegian Americans lack the oil wealth of Norway, they have a 3 percent higher living standard than their cousins overseas. The poverty rate of swedish americans is lower than native swedes. 2. Wealth inequality is still nearly as bad than america. In the United States, the top 1% owns roughly 35% of all the wealth. In Sweden, the top 1% controls roughly 25-40% of total wealth. The share of the richest Swedes who inherited their wealth is around, 2/3, with only a third being entrepreneurs. In America, the majority of wealth is self-made, while in Sweden, it’s generational. 3. College debt is nearly as bad despite free college. In 2013, average college debt among graduating students was $19,000 in Sweden, compared to $24,800 in America. It’s presumably room and board responsible for debt in Sweden. An American college graduate earns 65% more than a high school graduate, while in Sweden, college graduates earn only 25% more. Denmark has only one-third the engineers as the OECD average because everyone goofs off and studies easy liberal arts stuff. 4. People have grown lazy. Despite being one of the healthiest nations in the world, in the early 2000s, 10% of Sweden’s entire workforce was on paid sick leave at any given time. The average number of sick leaves taken per Swede per year more than doubled when the government increased the percentage of salary they’d pay from 75% to 80%. In Denmark, roughly 9 percent of the workforce (in 2012) was on disability, 33,500 of them under the age of 40, and in Norway last year, while the unemployment was below 3%, 20% of the working age population was on either unemployment or sick leave benefits. All of these countries lack the sick populations to justify such figures. 5. Additionally, those countries have become more pro-business than the U.S. was before Trump. Their corporate tax rate averages 24% (Under Obama ours was 39%). From 1975-95, Sweden’s GDP growth was half that of all other OECD countries, and a full percentage point lower than the EU-15 countries. In the 90s they became more business friendly and more than one out of every five government employees lost their job. America has more challenges then any of those countries. We have massive unsustainable government debt, massive unsustainable unfunded retirement debt on both a state and local level, massive number of baby boomers reaching retirement, and massive unsustainable corporate bond debt. We've had 20+ years of nearly unfettered migration, a massive imbalance between low skill population numbers and high skill population number (only 30% of americans have a college degree) and the robots and automation are quickly coming and wiping out unskilled jobs. As of today we have over 50k+ illegal immigrants crossing our border each month. Macro trends group expects 40 million permanent job losses due to automation, computers, and robots. That's 1 out of every 4 current jobs, gone, replaced by higher skill technology jobs that require IQ and education, something the low skill work force doesn't have. https://www.bain.com/insights/labor-...nd-inequality/ And add on top of all that mexico just elected a socialist president. What happens when all that comes to a head? Democrats will probably get their welfare state and guaranteed basic income, but it will quickly become unsustainable. |
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But more than than that, the debate has to be what socialistic elements we need in society and what does and does not fit into a free market. Right now the US has some basic dogmatic beliefs that everything is fixed in the market and if you don't believe that then you're "socialist" (which means the same thing as "communist" to certain people). Meanwhile, socialist aspects of American have been around since the founding fathers, who thought public libraries were a cornerstone of our democracy. Public roads, infrastructure, police, fire, defense, food safety, product safety, CDC, Federal police, Social Security... ect ect all exist. CC, TVA, Rural Electrification, and WPA are all socialism.
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This is a good paper on the challenges of Swedens welfare model. Use google translate to read it:
https://timbro.se/valfard/spelregler...llbar-valfard/ |
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I read your entire post above. I agreed with nearly all of it. But you just don’t get it. The “POC” believe wealth is hoarded by white Americans and they want it and they want to hire agents (call them Agent Kamala or Agent Warren) to go get it. You obv think: “How can you be so reductionist? Humans are deeper thinkers than that!” And I’ll just post polling data.
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How is that any different than what the Bernie Sanders wing of the Democratic party has been asking for? |
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"Socialism is OK - until you run out of other peoples' money" - Margaret Thatcher
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I can't be bothered. Pay me my old age stipend. Cure my diseases. Go broke. No longer my problem. You want it? it's yours.
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I guess NJDoucheBag just got out of rehab.
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Like you care about football... post in the lounge dork.
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