Game Goat - Page 4

Toad · 10-15-2006, 09:05 PM

Knowing that it's human nature to pin blame, who should be the Chiefs player(s) to be the game goat?

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-16-2006, 01:51 AM

Great running backs can produce with marginal blocking and subpar blocking. They can't survive horrible blocking, and that's what he's had all year. I'm beginning to wonder if Roaf leaving castrated Waters and Wiegmann too (Shields is clearly too old at this point, and I'm not going to throw him under the bus, the guy busted his ass, even on the Croyle pick)

patteeu · 10-16-2006, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by PastorMikH

Where's Larry Johnson in that list?

I'd say 15 carries for 26 yards and 3 catches for 6 yards when you are supposed to be a pro-bowl RB isn't cutting the mustard. Every RB has a bad game once and a while. But LJ has 62 total yards rushing in the last 2 games and take away his one long pass last week and he has a total of 32 yards recieving. Take away the one 78 yard pass last week and his combined totals for the last 2 weeks don't reach 100 yards.

Probowl RBs FIND a way to produce. LJ's ineptness can't be laid totally on the back of the O-Line. When Roaf and Welbourne were out last season he produced. A Top-tiered RB would find a way to produce.

Why is it a when a Player finally "Arives" he quits trying?

I wonder if SD will keep him under 25 yards rushing. It is definately possible.

I agree with this. I think the O-Line is the biggest problem on the team, but LJ has not looked good to me this season. On the goal line, I want a back that is going to hit the hole hard and push the pile or leap over the top, but LJ has been consistently stopping at the line of scrimage to wait for a hole to open. Some might dress that up as patience, but to me it's a loss of momentum. I know it worked out OK for LJ one time yesterday, but that run looked harder than it had to be and on other occasions it didn't work out so well.

patteeu · 10-16-2006, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

And? The play happened, didn't it? It counted, right? He kept getting little gains and little gains and then BOOM, he busted something wide open.

He made something happen. He found a way. That's exactly what you're criticizing him for NOT doing.

How is he supposed to run people over when they're hitting him in the backfield? And if they're not hitting him there, he's running into a wall at the line of scrimmage. He has to have at least a few steps to build momentum. Nobody's going to take two steps and run over someone who's charging forward at them.

Did you see the HBO footage? Did you see how pissed he was in the 49'ers game? He didn't exactly look like someone who wasn't giving all his effort.

More often than not, and especially in short yardage/goal line situations, he isn't "running" into a wall, he's "tiptoeing" into it.

**Easy 6** · 10-16-2006, 06:43 AM

If i had to boil it all down it'd look like this...1)Herm 2)Solari 3)O-line 4)DT's. But my special ire must go to the DT's, they were gettin' mashed 2,3,4 yards off the LOS all the live long day.

**Skip Towne** · 10-16-2006, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by patteeu

I agree with this. I think the O-Line is the biggest problem on the team, but LJ has not looked good to me this season. On the goal line, I want a back that is going to hit the hole hard and push the pile or leap over the top, but LJ has been consistently stopping at the line of scrimage to wait for a hole to open. Some might dress that up as patience, but to me it's a loss of momentum. I know it worked out OK for LJ one time yesterday, but that run looked harder than it had to be and on other occasions it didn't work out so well.

I think you're right. I think Priest taught LJ that patience crap. And it does work if you have a great O-line. Priest waited for his blockers and did very well with that. It was his style. But LJ has size and speed and needs to use it. Instead of waiting for a hole to open (which isn't happening) LJ needs to find a weak spot and charge through it.

PastorMikH · 10-16-2006, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by BigRock

I liked "the grass is too short", but if you can top your "Larry Johnson isn't trying hard enough, he doesn't need blocking, he should magically run through the people who are stacking the box and hitting him two steps after he's handed the ball" one, I'll be impressed.

My point of view is this, LJ is a top-tiered RB but he he's running sub-par right now and he needs a kickstart. I, as well as many others, complained about the way DV handled him, but it sure looks like LJ needed it. Going into the next game, if he's running like he has been (tip-toeing, not hitting gaps, or plowing ahead) and he's averaging 2 ypc or less, (especially if he's putting the ball on the grass) halfway through the third quarter put him on the bench for the rest of the game. Then come out the next week and state your starting Brown, Bennet or even Ross for that matter. Then, have LJ sit the first 3-4 plays the next week before sending him in. I'd be willing to bet that he will come out on fire and could run forward with 12 men in the box and I will also bet he doesn't put the ball on the ground either.

Sure there's blame to be laid on the O-linemen. Great lineman make marginal backs look good, and great RBs make marginal linemen look good.

kc rush · 10-16-2006, 08:12 AM

No one is blameless for this one. When all phases of the game perform this badly, most of the blame should go to the head coach for not having the team and the rest of the coaching staff prepared.

What an embarrassment. I turned it off at 28-0 because it wasn’t worth my frustration and the inanimate objects around my house didn’t deserve the abuse they received.

redbrian · 10-16-2006, 08:36 AM

I would have to put the full blame on Herm for this one.

My opinion is that he is trying to force the offense into being something that they are not.
I don’t think it was Solari’s idea to run, run and run some more (if so he needs to be dumped). I think this has Herms hand all over it.

The Chiefs are not a run dominated team; they need to do play action and deep plays 50% or more of the time. It has to be a balanced attack between the run and passing.

I also think this should put to rest the (so called) qb controversy, Haurd was not terrible but he sure was not good by any standard, we need Green on the field ASAP.

greg63 · 10-16-2006, 10:12 AM

How about we start with these guys...

greg63 · 10-16-2006, 10:18 AM

And, then move on to these guys...

PastorMikH · 10-16-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by redbrian

I would have to put the full blame on Herm for this one.

My opinion is that he is trying to force the offense into being something that they are not.
I don’t think it was Solari’s idea to run, run and run some more (if so he needs to be dumped). I think this has Herms hand all over it.

The Chiefs are not a run dominated team; they need to do play action and deep plays 50% or more of the time. It has to be a balanced attack between the run and passing.

I also think this should put to rest the (so called) qb controversy, Haurd was not terrible but he sure was not good by any standard, we need Green on the field ASAP.

I just took a look at the play by play. The fact is we threw twice as many times as we ran yesterday.

In the first half they tried to stay with some balance with 9 runs to 11 passes. Problem is, neither the run nor the pass worked. Huard couldn't hit recievers, recievers couldn't catch, LJ couldn't run and the line couldn't block. Absolutely nothing they did worked.

And IMO there has NEVER been a QB controversy.

Plain and simple, we were outcoached and outplayed.

**Rain Man** · 10-16-2006, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Did anyone else see Jared Allen catch their RB from behind? If that ain't hustle I don't know what is.

We should give this play more air time on the board. It was one of the most impressive plays I've ever seen by a defensive lineman in the league, not just on the Chiefs.

HC_Chief · 10-16-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

We should give this play more air time on the board. It was one of the most impressive plays I've ever seen by a defensive lineman in the league, not just on the Chiefs.

Yep. We need a few more players like him.

**HemiEd** · 10-16-2006, 02:24 PM

Ty Law and any other player that did not change their spikes as they were instructed.

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10-16-2006, 08:12 AM	#52
kc rush Blah Blah Blah Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In front of the computer. Casino cash: $4139559	No one is blameless for this one. When all phases of the game perform this badly, most of the blame should go to the head coach for not having the team and the rest of the coaching staff prepared. What an embarrassment. I turned it off at 28-0 because it wasn’t worth my frustration and the inanimate objects around my house didn’t deserve the abuse they received.
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10-16-2006, 08:36 AM	#53
redbrian Veteran Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Kansas City MO Casino cash: $10004900	I would have to put the full blame on Herm for this one. My opinion is that he is trying to force the offense into being something that they are not. I don’t think it was Solari’s idea to run, run and run some more (if so he needs to be dumped). I think this has Herms hand all over it. The Chiefs are not a run dominated team; they need to do play action and deep plays 50% or more of the time. It has to be a balanced attack between the run and passing. I also think this should put to rest the (so called) qb controversy, Haurd was not terrible but he sure was not good by any standard, we need Green on the field ASAP.
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