What's wrong with Mecole Hardman - Part 2

[dlphg9]

Spoiler alert!

Nothing is wrong with him! Unless you consider Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce as being a problem.

Mecole was 3rd on the team in targets (62), rec yards (560), and rec TDs (4). Those stats are right in line with any other teams 3rd most productive receiver and none of those other teams had 2 guys that were 1st team AP in front of that guy.

Green Bay Packers #1 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Robert Tonyan - 59 targets, 52 rec, 586 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 212
Rec - 148
Yards - 2064

Buffalo Bills #2 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Gabriel Davis - 62 targets, 35 rec, 599 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 273
Rec - 209
Yards - 2502

Tampa Bay Buccaneers #3 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Rob Gronkowski - 77 targets, 45 rec, 623 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 193
Rec - 135
Yards - 1846

Tennessee Titans #4 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jonnu Smith - 65 targets, 41 rec, 448 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 198
Rec - 135
Yards - 2059

New Orleans Saints #5 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Jared Cook - 60 targets, 37 rec, 504 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 189
Rec - 144
Yards - 1482

Baltimore Ravens #7 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Willie Snead - 48 targets, 33 rec, 432 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 188
Rec - 116
Yards - 1470

Seattle Seahawks #8 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
David Moore - 47 targets, 35 rec, 417 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 261
Rec - 183
Yards - 2357

Indianapolis Colts #9 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Michael Pittman Jr. - 61 targets, 40 rec, 503 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 164
Rec - 99
Yards - 1391

Las Vegas Raiders #10 ranked scoring offense
3rd most productive receiving option
Hunter Renfrow - 77 targets, 56 rec, 656 yds

Top 2 options
Targets - 227
Rec - 155
Yards - 2092

Average for top 10 scoring offense's 3rd most productive receiving option :

Targets - 62
Receptions - 41
Yards - 530

Average for top 10 scoring offense's top 2 most productive receiving options combined :

Targets - 212
Receptions - 147
Yards - 1918


This is how Hardman stacks up against the other teams 3rd receiving option

Targets - 62 (62 avg)
Receptions - 41 (41 avg)
Yards - 560 (530 avg)

Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce combined

Targets - 280 (most in group)
Receptions - 192 (2nd most in group)
Yards - 2692 (most in group)

So what we can see from these stats above is that nothing is up with Mecole Hardman. His targets and reception matched the average of the 9 other top offenses 3rd receiving option and he was above average in yards, but the big huge difference is Travis Kelce and Tyreek Hill just happen to be on the same team as him. Those two have 68 more combined targets, 45 more combined receptions, and 774 more combined yards than the others teams top 2 receiving threats.

TLDR;

Nothing is wrong, he's right in line with the other teams 3rd most productive pass catchers. Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are monsters and the best pass catching duo in a long ass time.

PS:

Seriously Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce are so good! There was only 11 QBs with more TD passes than those 2 had receiving TDs.

PSS:

****ing Cam Newton started 15 games and had 45 less passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards in the same amount of games!

PSSS:

****ing MVP Lamar had 65 more passing yards than Hill and Kelce had rec yards and they tied for the same amount of passing TDs to receiving TDs.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.

How exactly is he every bit as good as Sammy yet still doesn't get the snaps even when Sammy is injured? Sammy is a lot better. Just made of glass

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by -King-

Mecole played 6 more games than Watkins and only had 140 more yards, 4 more catches, and 2 more touchdowns a lot more drop. On a per game basis, Watkins was better and they didn't have to run plays specifically for him in order for him to succeed. He fit the natural flow of the offense whereas Mecole really doesn't.

This is such horseshit. There has pretty much always been a role like Mecole’s in Andy’s offense whether it’s him, Tyreek, or DAT filling it. This is pseudo football expert bullshit that people like you just regurgitate to try and sound smart.

It’s not like Andy stops and writes plays up for Hardman in the middle of the game. It’s still HIS offense, therefor it “fits the natural flow”.

I’d like you to go through a Hardman highlight reel and tell me how all the plays he has made don’t “fit the natural flow of the offense”.

So ****ing dumb.

[staylor26]

There’s a reason Andy’s offense is often described as “gimmicky” by opponents. It’s what he does. If you don’t think plays designed for Mecole “fit he natural flow” of Reid’s offense, then you clearly don’t ****ing understand Reid’s offense at all.

[Rasputin]

"Not clutch" but look at all these clutch plays




Yeah **** the haters he has done good his first two years and I think he is going get better and make some more incredible plays that will be apart of championships for us.


That back of the endzone TD doesn't get any more clutch.


Has he made mistakes yes. Can he get better, also yes.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

"Not clutch" but look at all these clutch plays




Yeah **** the haters he has done good his first two years and I think he is going get better and make some more incredible plays that will be apart of championships for us.


That back of the endzone TD doesn't get any more clutch.


Has he made mistakes yes. Can he get better, also yes.

But it didn’t fit the natural flow of the offense so it doesn’t count!

[-King-]

Originally Posted by staylor26

But it didn’t fit the natural flow of the offense so it doesn’t count!

Anyone said it doesn't? Like I said, hes a gadget player who can occasionally have the big game. But as of now, he's a gadget that hasn't shown that his role should be expanded despite numerous opportunities. Our #2 missed 6+ games last year and Robinson was the one who took up the majority of snaps Sammy left behind. And so far in camp, it looks like that will continue to he true next season.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by -King-

How exactly is he every bit as good as Sammy yet still doesn't get the snaps even when Sammy is injured?

You answered your own question

Originally Posted by -King-

Sammy is made of glass

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by -King-

Anyone said it doesn't? Like I said, hes a gadget player who can occasionally have the big game. But as of now, he's a gadget that hasn't shown that his role should be expanded despite numerous opportunities. Our #2 missed 6+ games last year and Robinson was the one who took up the majority of snaps Sammy left behind. And so far in camp, it looks like that will continue to he true next season.

Remember Dexter McCluster? Other than his last year in KC with Reid, THAT'S a player who didn't fit the natural flow of the offense. Where he comes onto the field, and the defense already knew the ball is going to him. Yeah, the designed play might involve trickery and bullshit, but the end result was largely the same, because "Getting him the ball in space" isn't easy when the player in question is only suited for that one task. It didn't matter where we lined him up, either. Until McCluster figured out a damn route tree, he was absolutely a worthless gadget player.

Hardman getting the ball on trick plays isn't the same thing. The time period of him only coming in for trick plays on offense was relatively short, and while he was limited and his role was limited initially, he was still operating and working through the flow of the play. Just because a relative chunk of his production came on trick plays doesn't mean that's all he was good for.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I wanted Paris Campbell too but Mecole has been a fine 2nd rd player. People don’t want to admit this but he’s been every bit as good as Sammy Watkins was and we paid Sammy a freaking boat full of cash.

It’s annoying that some posters treat the kid like he’s DAT when he’s clearly better.

Yeah, I agree. He's certainly leaps and bounds better than DAT and I really have no issues with Hardman at all and the role he plays in the offense. It'd be nice if he could evolve into more, but if he doesn't that doesn't make him bad.

[Kiimo]

Mark me down for also getting fooled on Parris Campbell


Edit holy shit

Campbell was limited to just seven games during his rookie season. He endured four separate injuries (sports hernia, hamstring injury, broken hand, and foot fracture), three of which required surgery.

In Week 2 of last season, the big one hit. Campbell suffered a season-ending MCL and PCL tear against the Vikings.

[Skyy God]

“The Athletic's Nate Taylor reports WR Mecole Hardman "has made sizable improvements, whether it’s his route running, his consistency when catching the ball or his overall demeanor on the practice fields."

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?



Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

Probably hope for more than Pro Bowl return specialist, yeah. But like I say, he's fine, hopefully he takes a step forward, if he doesn't it's not the end of the world.

Thank you for your warm welcome.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

How do you know this? Going into his third year and this year he is putting it on himself to take on the best defensive back we got and one of the best in the NFL. So how can you say he isn't going develop and take the WR2 by the horns?

We also got some pretty damn good coaches and I just don't see him not taking it up a notch and doing more than he has showed us so far. He is a very viable candidate for WR2 and open this offence wide open. I can be wrong and maybe it's just pure hope I'm right but I do think he is going step it up in a big way this year with determination and hunger to do so and that's what Tyrann said he has this year.

Yeah you may be right. I meant more he hadn't yet imo, but we live in hope.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You'd "hope for more" than a Pro Bowl and 10 TD's from a late second round pick through two seasons, including a pandemic season?



Welcome to the 'Planet, Dipshit.

Probably hope for more than Pro Bowl return specialist, yeah. But like I say, he's fine, hopefully he takes a step forward, if he doesn't it's not the end of the world.

Thank you for your warm welcome.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Cave Johnson

“The Athletic's Nate Taylor reports WR Mecole Hardman "has made sizable improvements, whether it’s his route running, his consistency when catching the ball or his overall demeanor on the practice fields."

That’s great to hear.

He looks different too. Seems like added a little more muscle.