Home Mail Discord Chat
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Gonzo Lounge

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-19-2021, 10:36 PM  
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $43111
VARSITY
So you think you know Chiefs pass rushers?

As you undoubtedly know, sacks became an official NFL statistic in 1982. Before that year, we have nothing but legend and mystery.

However, Pro football reference now says that they went back to 1960 and did research to build sack stats back to that year for the NFL. So if you trust those numbers, we now ostensibly have sack statistics for the entire Chiefs' history.

The data is behind a paywall, but fortunately so am I. So let's test your knowledge. I'll post questions periodically and let's see how Chiefsplanet answers them.

Note: all data refers to players' careers with the Chiefs only. If someone comes from another team or goes to another team, their stats on those teams don't count. It's the Chiefs, the whole Chiefs, and nothing but the Chiefs.

Question #1 is easy. List the top ten Chiefs in terms of career sacks.
Posts: 124,264
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 05:06 PM   #31
Bowser Bowser is offline
mod-ish
 
Bowser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: KC North
Casino cash: $432116
Vonnie Holiday
Posts: 87,353
Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 05:06 PM   #32
Bowser Bowser is offline
mod-ish
 
Bowser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: KC North
Casino cash: $432116
Dan Williams
Posts: 87,353
Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 05:07 PM   #33
Bowser Bowser is offline
mod-ish
 
Bowser's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: KC North
Casino cash: $432116
....off the top of my head
Posts: 87,353
Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.Bowser is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 05:10 PM   #34
Jewish Rabbi Jewish Rabbi is online now
What's up braj?
 
Jewish Rabbi's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2008
Casino cash: $69420
Junior Siavii
Posts: 9,844
Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.Jewish Rabbi is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 08:31 PM   #35
cdcox cdcox is offline
www.nfl-forecast.com
 
cdcox's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2000
Casino cash: $31869
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
I too require explanation. Are these the top five guys who retired each year? I can't quite read the x axis.

And I'll correct MagicHef's unfortunate error by saying that it looks like Reggie White and Derrick Thomas are close to Deacon Jones, and Aaron Donald is above him.
The data are the top 250 pass rushers since 1960. They are plotted in chronological order, based on the last year they played. My praise of Deacon Jones is based on how far above his contemporary peers he is compared to other players. Players who played in a common era faced similar offensive lines, styles of play, and played under common rules. Deacon was a real standout of his era. I discount Aaron Donald a bit because he is in the prime of his career, and hasn't yet recorded the last few years of his career where a player's productivity often rolls off. He Donald remains dominant through his retirement, he might unseat Jones as the most dominant pass rusher of all time.
Posts: 42,029
cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 08:35 PM   #36
cdcox cdcox is offline
www.nfl-forecast.com
 
cdcox's Avatar
 

Join Date: Sep 2000
Casino cash: $31869
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
Okay, here's your next question. 46 Chiefs recorded 10 or more sacks in their Chiefs career. Of those, name the top 10 in terms of sacks per game played.

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
I suspect Curly Culp and Jared Allen will do well on this list.
I'll add the usual suspects: DT, Buck Buchanan, Aaron Brown, Jerry Mays.
Posts: 42,029
cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.cdcox is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 08:36 PM   #37
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $43111
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser View Post
R-Kal Truluck
Sadly, he did not make the 10 sack cutoff.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser View Post
Vonnie Holiday
See above.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bowser View Post
Dan Williams
Wow! I thought he'd be a tough out, but you got it. He's #6 all time.


1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6. Dan Williams - 0.56
7.
8.
9.
10.
__________________
Rain Man Weekly News: I cut the cord on cable TV. Now I have to figure out how to watch NFL games.
Posts: 124,264
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
Thumbs Up 1 Thumbs Down 0     Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 08:40 PM   #38
Mecca Mecca is offline
Hockey Town
 
Mecca's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
Casino cash: $7150
Derrick Thomas is first, when you had e his career total his per game number is like .76
Posts: 98,722
Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 09:22 PM   #39
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $43111
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca View Post
Derrick Thomas is first, when you had e his career total his per game number is like .76
That's a good guess, and you're close. He's #2.

1.
2. Derrick Thomas - .75
3.
4.
5.
6. Dan Williams - .56
7.
8.
9.
10.
__________________
Rain Man Weekly News: I cut the cord on cable TV. Now I have to figure out how to watch NFL games.
Posts: 124,264
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 09:54 PM   #40
Jenson71 Jenson71 is offline
fides quaerens intellectum
 
Jenson71's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: United States
Casino cash: $5000
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
Bingo.

#1 - Derrick Thomas - 126.5
#2 - Tamba Hali - 89.5
#3 - Neil Smith - 85.5
#4 - Justin Houston - 78.5
#5 - Art Still - 74
#6 - Buck Buchanan - 70.5
#7 - Jerry Mays - 65.5
#8 - Mike Bell - 52
#9 - Aaron Brown - 51
#10 - Eric Hicks - 44.5
It would be interesting to break down the comparison between DT and Buck Buchanan. For example, Thomas played in 169 games versus BB playing in 182, but of those games, how many passing plays were there?

Thomas played from 89-99, and during those years, the top passing attempts leader in the NFL averaged 601 attempts (over 16 games). But in Buchanan's days, the top passing attempts leader averaged 464 (I'm factoring in the two games the teams played less, as it was actually 406 over 14 games).

So can someone break down how these players compare in sacks per opportunity to see who was the most dominating sack monster in Chiefs history?

I'd guess DT still wins out, but Buchanan has got to be further up there.
Posts: 13,919
Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Jenson71 has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 09:58 PM   #41
suzzer99 suzzer99 is offline
In Search of a Life
 
suzzer99's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: L.A.
Casino cash: $34384
Justin Houston has to be up there in sacks/game.
Posts: 22,490
suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.suzzer99 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 09:58 PM   #42
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $43111
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jenson71 View Post
It would be interesting to break down the comparison between DT and Buck Buchanan. For example, Thomas played in 169 games versus BB playing in 182, but of those games, how many passing plays were there?

Thomas played from 89-99, and during those years, the top passing attempts leader in the NFL averaged 601 attempts (over 16 games). But in Buchanan's days, the top passing attempts leader averaged 464 (I'm factoring in the two games the teams played less, as it was actually 406 over 14 games).

So can someone break down how these players compare in sacks per opportunity to see who was the most dominating sack monster in Chiefs history?

I'd guess DT still wins out, but Buchanan has got to be further up there.
That would indeed be interesting. I bet a good proxy could be easily done by just dividing sacks by the average passing attempts per game.

I was initially thinking that the old-timers might have more sacks per game due to the pass-blocking rules in place in those years. It was much harder to pass protect. But you're right in that there was a lot less passing in general, which may more than compensate.
__________________
Rain Man Weekly News: I cut the cord on cable TV. Now I have to figure out how to watch NFL games.
Posts: 124,264
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 10:00 PM   #43
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $43111
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by suzzer99 View Post
Justin Houston has to be up there in sacks/game.
You bring home the gold. Houston is #1. This surprises me a little given how long it took him to come back fully from the injury.

1. Justin Houston - .77
2. Derrick Thomas - .75
3.
4.
5.
6. Dan Williams - .56
7.
8.
9.
10.
__________________
Rain Man Weekly News: I cut the cord on cable TV. Now I have to figure out how to watch NFL games.
Posts: 124,264
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 10:10 PM   #44
Mecca Mecca is offline
Hockey Town
 
Mecca's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Kansas City, Missouri
Casino cash: $7150
Houston had a 20 sack season and missed a bunch of games following, all the missed games actually help his number.

Jared Allen is probably on there.
Posts: 98,722
Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.Mecca has an IQ even higher than Frankie's.
    Reply With Quote
Old 07-20-2021, 10:12 PM   #45
Rain Man Rain Man is offline
NFL's #1 Ermines Fan
 
Rain Man's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: My house
Casino cash: $43111
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mecca View Post
Houston had a 20 sack season and missed a bunch of games following, all the missed games actually help his number.

Jared Allen is probably on there.
Interesting that you would bring up Jared Allen. #3 all time.

1. Justin Houston - .77
2. Derrick Thomas - .75
3. Jared Allen - .70
4.
5.
6. Dan Williams - .56
7.
8.
9.
10.
__________________
Rain Man Weekly News: I cut the cord on cable TV. Now I have to figure out how to watch NFL games.
Posts: 124,264
Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.Rain Man is obviously part of the inner Circle.
    Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:11 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
Fort Worth Texas Process Servers
Covering Arlington, Fort Worth, Grand Prairie and surrounding communities.
Tarrant County, Texas and Johnson County, Texas.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.