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Old 09-18-2018, 09:12 AM  
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Keith Ellison domestic violence accuser says Democratic party doesn't believe her sto

Will Ellison get Frankened over this as a sacrifice to the Kavanaugh obstruction?

The woman who accused Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison of domestic abuse said on Monday that Democrats don’t believe her story and threatened to isolate her over the allegations.

Karen Monahan, a former girlfriend, came forward last month alleging that Ellison sent her threatening text messages and once screamed obscenities at her as he dragged her off a bed by her feet.

Ellison has denied the accusations, saying he “never behaved this way.” He did acknowledge he was in a relationship with the woman.

The allegations didn’t lead to any immediate action against the congressman, except for the announcement that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) would review the accusations. He went on to win the Democratic primary election for Minnesota attorney general.

Monahan slammed the Democratic Party for its response to her allegations when compared to its treatment of Christine Blasey Ford. Ford has accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of attempting to force himself onto her during at a high school party nearly four decades ago, prompting prominent Democrats to get behind Ford’s allegations.

“No, they don't,” Monahan tweeted in response to a question whether the party believes women’s stories. “I've been smeared, threatened, isolated from my own party. I provided medical records from 2017, stating on two different Dr. Visits, I told them about the abuse and who did it. My therapist released records stating I have been dealing and healing from the abuse.”

She added: “Four people, including my supervisor at the time, stated that I came to them after and shared the exact story I shared publicly, I shared multiple text between me and Keith, where I discuss the abuse with him and much more. As I said before, I knew I wouldn't be believed.”

Her comment came after another user pointed to comments made by Peter Daou, a Democratic strategist and former advisor to Hillary Clinton and John Kerry, who wrote in a tweet that the Kavanaugh accuser will be “attacked, smeared, and demonized” and that people must “believe women.”

Many other Democrats and progressives – who stayed silent when the accusations against Ellison emerged – came out in support of Ford, including Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Tom Perez, chairman of the DNC, who urged to investigate the claims and Kavanaugh.

Monahan went to reiterate that her story has nothing to do with politics. “I have nothing to prove to anyone, I simply shared my story. People can believe it or not. I don’t need anyone to affirm my humanity, I affirmed it,” she wrote in another tweet.

“The fact that both parties only care if it scores political points is hypocritical,” she added. “Do you think a person who has dealt with any form of abuse by politicians is thinking about politics? No, we & are families are trying to heal.”

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Old 09-20-2018, 11:27 AM   #61
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Sure. The Democratic Party
Well, all I can say to that is, bullshit. Yes, I realize you can name one or two people who have made a statement like that. That doesn't make it the position of the Democratic Party.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:30 AM   #62
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It's obvious. Niner did it. And Cosmo was in the room too
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:32 AM   #63
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It's obvious. Niner did it. And Cosmo was in the room too


I have an alibi.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:39 AM   #64
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I have an alibi.
That's the problem. How can anyone have an alibi if we don't know where or when it happened?

Even if you are innocent, Cosmo is not. He always hangs out in bedrooms and closets at parties.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:43 AM   #65
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That's the problem. How can anyone have an alibi if we don't know where or when it happened?

Even if you are innocent, Cosmo is not. He always hangs out in bedrooms and closets at parties.
I believe we know it happened in the early 80s on the East Coast when they were in high school. In the early 80s I was out of high school and in the Navy on the West Coast.

I can't speak to Cosmo. Is his real name Kavanaugh or Judge?
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:44 AM   #66
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Well, all I can say to that is, bullshit. Yes, I realize you can name one or two people who have made a statement like that. That doesn't make it the position of the Democratic Party.
Oh yeah? Prove it. Point to any Dem rep right now demanding "due process" for Kavanaugh or so much as straddling the fencekn her claim. Just one.


You have 49 Senators and 209 Reps to choose from. Grab one and show me.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:47 AM   #67
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Oh yeah? Prove it. Point to any Dem rep right now demanding "due process" for Kavanaugh or so much as straddling the fencekn her claim. Just one.


You have 49 Senators and 209 Reps to choose from. Grab one and show me.
Well, I believe there are a number of them calling for an FBI investigation prior to the continued committee hearings.

What do you consider "due process" for this non-criminal, non-civil, non-litigation, job interview? If there's no video or physical evidence, just dismiss the allegation out of hand?
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Yes. It should be dismissed.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:54 AM   #69
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Yes. It should be dismissed.
Well, ok. But not dismissing the allegation out of hand does not equal "automatically believing the woman."
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Again: show me any Dem saying she needs to come in and/or testify Show me any who say Kavanagh is presumed innocent. Show me one who wants to see actual evidence from her.


You can play all the word games you want, but you keep refusing to answer because you don't have an answer.
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:59 AM   #71
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Again: show me any Dem saying she needs to come in and/or testify Show me any who say Kavanagh is presumed innocent. Show me one who wants to see actual evidence from her.


You can play all the word games you want, but you keep refusing to answer because you don't have an answer.
Like I said, many are calling for an FBI investigation. The purpose of an investigation is to gather evidence. So, all of them?

And "presumed innocent" is a rule about who has the burden of proof in criminal cases. It has no application to this elaborate job interview.
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Ellison isn't white, isn't a republican, and IS a muslim.

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I believe we know it happened in the early 80s on the East Coast when they were in high school. In the early 80s I was out of high school and in the Navy on the West Coast.

I can't speak to Cosmo. Is his real name Kavanaugh or Judge?
We know little about Cosmo. Mostly creepy things like he hangs out in closets and is annoying.
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Like I said, many are calling for an FBI investigation. The purpose of an investigation is to gather evidence. So, all of them?

And "presumed innocent" is a rule about who has the burden of proof in criminal cases. It has no application to this elaborate job interview.
This isn't a "job interview". There's never been a single job interview where some random enters into the hiring manager's office and starts slandering the candidate. Just drop that idiotic analogy as it doesn't apply in the least.


It's a he said/she said. One is lying. We cannot ever know the truth. Ergo, there is no way to proceed. A 6th grader should know that.
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It's a he said/she said. One is lying. We cannot ever know the truth. Ergo, there is no way to proceed. A 6th grader should know that.
Juries do it all the time. They don't "know" the truth. The come to a conclusion about who they believe.
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